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We have three possible dates: 19th, 26th, 27th...is there any interest in making a december tournament? and if yes, when?

Date: 19th December 2009 (5pm GMT+0) (Deutsch: 18 Uhr)
Register Deadline: 17th December 2009

Ruleset: Fair Omen (7k)

Players

• Ghabry confirmed
  
• Cirroz confirmed
  
• Jeronimo confirmed
  
• Mr. Shadow confirmed
  
• Lordbraprus (Itlerion) confirmed
  
• Satyrgo confirmed
  
• Jim
• Flak confirmed
  
• hari8 confirmed
  
• Grend
• Wkurwiony confirmed
  
• Ceyl confirmed
  
• Nitrox confirmed
  
  Votings:
  
  Ruleset:
  
  • Fair Omen - 6 (Jim, lordbraprus, Jeronimo, Satyrgo, Wkurwiony, hari8)
  • Dost V5 - 5 (Ghabry, Flak, Nitrox, Mr Shadow, Ceyl)

"Don't play lame. That means, don't play run&hide&teleport games with your last regiment, if your opponent defeats all other units and is clearly better."

Thank you, that's exactly what it means. We don't want to force people to play with our rules (outside of the monthly tournaments ofc ), they can decide itself, if they want or not. And as its name says, this are gentlemen rules. We don't say "You're not allowed to smoke", we say: "If you wanna act fair, don't smoke" (to take a real life example)

[AND]

Hi

First step of balance was created by... hmmm whoever created unit prices in edit army list. And they DID IT GOOD. Prices creates their own restrictions in armies. Want a proof? Ok. Lets take a look at the 3000/10 ruleset. Emperial knights. We will take the 1st regiment for 3 points, second for 3 points, third becomes more expencive and costs 4 points... Oops! We can't take 3 regiments of knights 'cause they cost 1350gc each and after buying 2 of them we have... 300gc. Any quastions?

I don't get the point...We know, that the gold is sometimes a limit for regiments and for some regiments you cannot buy 3 units, but this makes the points for the first and second not useless? We just didn't make a "-" instead of the 3rd regiment points.
   

So, if we take 4 example Treeman. 3p... Okey, then if the whole system is balanced then 1 treeman can stand against:skeleton horsemen,  troll and orc boyz,  mercenary swordsmen with banner of defiance , etc.

As you said, the gold coins were a limit, so it's not really important how much points a treeman costs.

Well everyone who REALLY thinks that 1 simple BGK regiment can defeat the whole army can PM me anytime. We'll set a battle: you pick BKG(lvl1, no aditional armour) against my 3000/10 army.

You have to see it an other way: Sure, you can prepare an army which can defeat a BGK easily, but can you create an army, which can win a tournament against empire, greenskins and (regular) undeads AND win against a BGK with 5 points and some other units for 5points (=10)? I bet, you will lose nearly 50% of your games against BGK.

Next one - Wraith. [...] Method is simple - one regiment sould cost as much points as other regiment, or combination of regiments, or regiment + artifact that in summ will give us about 50% of success chances [...]

In general a good idea, and in fact the first 3k/10 rules were created like that. But I will give you a small example, why this will not work: Let's say I have Wraiths+Skeleton Archers, how many points would you give each of them? I guess 2/2 or something like that. You have elves archers, I think, they are better than wraiths and better than skeleton archers, so let's give them 3 points. Ok now you will take 2 archers (= 6 points) and I will take 2 wraiths and one skeleton archer (= 6 points too). Who will win? I bet, if you don't play hide&run, then I will win 80% of all games. (attack your archers with wraiths and then shoot them all with my bowies). I hope you see my point. We cannot create the ruleset this way you suggested. Take one regiment and then look, which other regiments are equal. We have to think at all possible combinations. This is same why BGK has 10 points. Yeah, some armybuilds can defeat it and I agree, that the BGK costs a lot of points, but if you will lower the points, you can make new combinations, which will win most of the games (Think at BGK+Banner of Wrath, BGK+meat etc.)

So as result I can say: You don't pay the points for one regiment, you pay the points also for possible combinations, which improves the regiment itself a lot.

I hope you get me correct. This post is not for put you down, it's only as explanation, what we thought, when we made the rules. You have some good idea in it and I also think, that 3k/10 should be improved.

Undead armies are disbalanced!

Yep

wikipage

That would be the best!

Congratulations Flak.

lordbrapus will be banned from the next two tournaments! Regarding to the rules. Leaving the tournament because of bad results/bad tactics with creating armies is neither fair nor gentlementlike. Or give us a good reason, why you did.

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Dark Omen switch automatical to english keyboard, so you have to press the "english" s

qwerty

yes the one on wiki

Yep, I updated first post in this thread.
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Today is the register deadline, so please everyone who wanna take part should sign in now and everyone who didn't vote for a ruleset should post it too

Huho to Finland, have a great time here!

Enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

And I thought, the enemy of your enemy is your friend

Nice find, if you have time, could you add a section to the Wiki with this stuff? Would be very cool!

Very cool stuff, sadly I have atm no time to test a game, so I hope for a good review from Mikademus