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Title: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kypper on February 19, 2009, 07:37:16 PM
Yay.
That's easy.

Troops selection :
Ice Mage with the wand and the book if possible (but it's hard to have this guy level 2).
Crossbowmen with Ptolos.
Morgan and his calvalery.
And anything you want. Elf bowmen and the canon make it easier, the steam tank too. Don't forget plenty of canon fodder. x)

First, don't move. Don't. Move. Ever.
You'll have to destroy the first regiments (skeletons bowmen, that's all). => Ptolos + Ice shield
Soon, you'll see a few mummies regiments.
That was easy.

Then, wipe the two standing mummies regiments standing at the center. The crossbowmen can do it alone. They'll not move if you're far enough.

The necromancer should be dead at this time.

Next, look at the map, you'll find 3 catapults (I assume there is no Hand nor Black Grail, eh ;) ).
If you destroy one of the right, the dread King will charge, with all the mummies (4 regiments)... Don't do it ofc, these mummies are level 4.
If you destry the one of the left, the Dread King will charge alone. Better, but still not easy.

Take your IceMage... And 'tornado' the Dread King. He has a magic protection, but you can heard him when he's hurted. And yes, you can kill him with that. The tornadoes can cross the map, ehe.

Then, kill the remaining skel' archers with tornado, and when there is nothing left, apart of the catapults, finish the job (the catapults have a somewhat short range) and charge with everything against the mummies.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Flak on February 20, 2009, 12:24:53 AM
I tend to use close combat units mostly as those damn Mummies are too tough to be hurt by arrows, but sometimes will flee if facing too many enemies. I use the Steam Tank & the Firemage alot, pistoleers too. The crossbowmen are usually so high a level that they do well in hand to hand combat too.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on February 20, 2009, 09:15:03 AM
I tried it yesterday.

I think that Fire mage is really good ( Conflagration of Doom, Crimson Bands and the other fire spells really help to kill these damned mummies).
Well, Morgan is obvious.
Surprisingly, Elven bowmen are bad, they always shoot behind the undead troups. But i lokked for their Statistic, are they good in contact fight?
Mortar is a must have.
But, according to my mind, the key unit is the Outlaw Pistoliers, i killed 50% of the Undead with them, Catapult, bowmens ( thanks to ptolos), mummies ( they are resistant, but really slow, so long to kill but not dangerous), the necromancer ( who didn't want to die, despite Crossbowmen/Elven Bowmen/Mortal/Pistoleers/Meteor :P, and the Dread King, right in the back, unfortunately 0,5 seconds after he killed Morgan :/

So, I Think I will retry with, of course, Morgan with Runefang, Pistoleers with Arcana Banner and Ptotlos, some contact troups ( Ragnar, Ogres, Flagelants, Dwarves ( unexperimented because they are too slow, but resistant), Grail Knights, Fire Mage, Mortar and Crossbowmen to reduce the opponent troups before they reach your contact troups. ( Don't like Tordado tech ;) ).
Canon disapointed me, and the Tank have a too short range to be really usefull.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Ghabry on February 20, 2009, 03:49:08 PM
So, I Think I will retry with, of course, Morgan with Runefang,
Canon disapointed me, and the Tank have a too short range to be really usefull.

Tank is very useful to prevent the archers from shooting at your other units ^^.
And we are not really sure but it looks like that the runefang damage to undead is halfed and not doubled.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on February 20, 2009, 04:14:44 PM
Why do you say that runefang seems to do half damages and not double?
Have you seen this problem with empirical experiences?

Concerning the tank, what do you mean exactly?
And can he charge, crushing enemies, like this is written in the notice?


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kypper on February 20, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
Why do you say that runefang seems to do half damages and not double?
Have you seen this problem with empirical experiences?
Yes.

Concerning the tank, what do you mean exactly?
And can he charge, crushing enemies, like this is written in the notice?
Yes.

Btw, saying elves are bad archer is bullshit. : O


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on February 20, 2009, 07:54:09 PM
They're not bad archers, they just are archers, meaning no direct fire.
I prefer crossbow direct fire or powerfull hit, like the mortar.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Ghabry on February 20, 2009, 08:27:33 PM
Why do you say that runefang seems to do half damages and not double?
Have you seen this problem with empirical experiences?
Yes.
No, we (I) never tested it but it looks like (because units with runefang are always really bad)

Concerning the tank, what do you mean exactly?
And can he charge, crushing enemies, like this is written in the notice?
Yes.
No, I mean just drive near the archers and they will follow the tank and "attack" him (you can use his cannon to kill the enemy (or CHARGE!!!))

Btw, saying elves are bad archer is bullshit. : O
Against fast units the Crossbows are better but on the other hand the elves shoot much faster (and you can also set every target manual if you have enough time for it (guess where the enemy will be when your arrows reach the ground), (same with mortar but mortar is easier to control imo))

100!!!


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on February 20, 2009, 10:04:27 PM
The problem, in this mission, is that you don't have much time to manage Elven, and Mortar, and Crossbow, and Tank, and mage(s) when some mummies attack you, on the left and on the right, in the same time :/
I'll try the Charge with tank :p

10 :D

Edit : Ok, I tried the Tank charge : powerfull, but slow, easy to kill for any Necromancer, and need a micro-management harder than the Pistoleers. Nevertheless, with Crimson Bands, it can be very deadly, I think.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Flak on February 25, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
there is a kinda flaw with the steam tank, sometimes the AI will acturly almost try to charge the Dampfpanzer  ;)

ive seen it in my dwarf missions, not too good a feature but it can help you win a bit unfairly i always feel sorry for the AI it doesnt know how much trouble it gets it self in lol

else than that i find that with 2 mummie regiments from 2 sides does give enough time to manually control the ranged weapons and mages. i tend to leave out the eleven archers and when the battles rages then focus on the mage and the steam tank to attempt a "run em dun"

mummies are annoying well resilient to ranged weapons anyway, to make them flee if the icemage has "hawks of miska" also works sometimes.

Really tho i have to say that i dont win all the time not at all it kinda comes down to lucky, how many casualties did the first attack claim before i can bombard all their idel troops standing in open sight and that damn necromancer who keeps teleporting aboot

I often place the steam tank in the direct path of the dreadking and try to run him down sometimes it works other times he shoots into scrapmetal


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: huks on February 26, 2009, 01:11:46 AM
I remember always beating this map by just running over the goddamn king with steam tank.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Daviwolfy on February 26, 2009, 07:48:01 AM
There is another method :)...BruteForce.

Use Steam Tank, a Wizard with the Banner of Wrath and the best 8 units you have.
Especially a great cavalry unit with Runefang (this unit will kill the King).

At start, move the 8 units up to the King. Try to attack with prescindible units to the mummies in the way and charge with all unit you can to King (of course unit of cavalry with RuneFang).

You will kill The King, but all your army will be flee or dead really fastly.

Now you must use the steam tank and of course the wizard moving all the map and killing mummies level 4 with magic and steamtank.


Note: Is is Gobling Campaing, then must survive the shaman. No problem, but if it is original campaign, the cavalry must survive. this is difficul, but possible.


Byer ;)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Flak on February 26, 2009, 10:30:11 AM
are you talking of a mad charge with all the troops?

lol and that works?

i use strategies to let them come and attack me


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Daviwolfy on February 26, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
Yes, it works... really stupid attack i thought, but effective, because all the enemies are less fast than you and can move for all the map activating banner of wrath and launching magic, and using the steamtank like a wall....you put the wizard near steamtank and when mummies charge, you move the steamtank over and destroy them.

The only one problem is that you must kill ALL units of the map, then you will spend a lot of time in this last battle...but finally win :)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Flak on February 26, 2009, 11:45:58 AM
hehe it sounds interesting but also rather insane, im gonna have to try it


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Daviwolfy on February 26, 2009, 12:48:41 PM
It is really insane, but think about the great history of DarkOmen...

/Freak mode on/

You are Captain Bernard....you have a lot of warmen under your orders and after more than twenty battles in your life and some years with them, you finally found the powerful enemy that are very very superior in number...proportion of 3 to 1...but will be the last chance for the man to kill him.

After a lot of battles defeating the most terrific undead armies for the ancient world you and your men are really exhausted and you think will be impossible to win this battle and come back home....but maybe you can destroy The King. If could destroy King, the menace of all world will be eliminated...then before the Final Battle i see with my troops and scream them...:

"Soldiers!!!....Knights!!!!.....and Friends too.....there is no exit for us....Maybe all of us will die here today....but if we are here if for anything....if gods let us go here and at this moment is because we have the last oportunity of men to save this dammed world.....we are the only who can do this.....and must be do now!!!.......No gold!!! No treasures!!! Only for an opportunity to our world and our people.......Well, my soldiers!!!....Who wants to save this world? Who wants to be a real hero? Who wants to live for ever?"



........The King died...but the cost was too much expensive.....centuries of heroes fell this day....

/Freak mode off/

;)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: sonansu on February 26, 2009, 03:49:27 PM
I always use Imperial Steam Tank to ran over The Dread King and the mummies ;D


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: alavet on March 27, 2009, 07:48:41 AM
well i hvnt actually remebered how i processed this mission but it was not tank, not at all.
i guess i just stayed an killing all of these waves, then i provoked lord to go (alone) and kill him (rather easilly). i processed this map only one time though, but my brother also hvnt used tank or anything..

the most important units at this map are our cavalry, mortair, mage and crossbowmen.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Creatx on April 12, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
LoL

All you need is the Bright Wizard, and some nerves :P

Warhammer: Dark Omen - Last Mission - w/ ONLY Cavalry&Wizard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqv95mwackA#lq-lq2)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on April 12, 2009, 11:25:03 PM
Really LONG game.

Have done this fight with Pistoliers and a Hit n Run strategy. Very long fight, too.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: alavet on April 13, 2009, 06:42:39 AM
Quote
Daviwolfy 

 very nice brave story :)

hey Flak have you ever managed to win last mission in your own cmpaing? (i mean not that hit-n-run  manner but somehting other way?)
i just wondering.

these mummises sooo goddamn strong.

 


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Gronx on April 17, 2009, 10:12:49 AM
In the process of going through the campaign again, the last time I did that was shortly after the DO release (ages ago). Back then, I remember that I managed to complete the last battle with only commander Bernhard and the stank alive at the end. I did the "charge everything into Nagash, apart from pistols with ptolos going for the catapults. I managed to kill Nagash, but at the same time I lost almost all my units. The end result of that was something like all their archers/catapults/spellcasters dead, but all the mummies + a few other infantry things alive at the end, me with bernhard and the tank. So, I placed the tank in the middle of everything, while bernhard ran in circles around them with his grudgebringer sword shooting fireballs, while the tank used the cannon to slowly kill all the mummies. It took over an hour, but I won.

Nowadays, I guess I'd stay back as usual, hope my firemage have wings and firestorm (for catapults) and pick the army apart piece by piece.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: bangsunei on April 26, 2009, 10:24:59 PM
Okay it's really long time since i played this map ( i just installed the game on my computer again :D ) but i won it just then the game came out and i was very young and i tryed a whole night to win it and i made it at last.

the one thing i remember i did was killing the dread lort simply by driving him over with the steam tank  :)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: bembelimen on April 27, 2009, 03:15:34 PM
the one thing i remember i did was killing the dread lort simply by driving him over with the steam tank  :)
The terror of the world was killed by a tractor.....


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Grend on April 27, 2009, 03:17:36 PM
I found this one easy when I replayed the campaign.
The primary units are Fire Mage, Elves, Stank, and Strong Melee Units.

The Mummy units come in pairs if you trigger them right. Thus you have to divide your forces appropriately. Try to fry the mummies down to half with the fire mage, then engage them with a strong meele unit in the front, and another in the back. Works splendidly.

The Elves are great at cleaning out the archers.

Stank is there for two things: Shooting the two mummy regiments that just stand there in the open, and killing the Dreadlord.

Soooo:
0) Never move ahead, only advance one regiment to activate the unit triggers, then retreat away from enemy fire and deal with them in a controlled envirionment.
1) Wipe out the first two mummy regiments (Flame and fight)
2) Shoot the two first skellie archers.
3) Keep an eye out for the necro, eventually You`ll get him with the banner of Wrath/and or flaming head or the bright beam thing if you time it.
4) advance a bit and deal with the next two mummies
5) Use the Stank and its cannon to kill the two stupid mummy regiments (Or cut them down to size)
6) Wipe out more skellies
7) Advance even a bit further and kill the two last mummy regiments
8) Trigger the Dread Lord, kill him in some entertaining fashion (Like the Stank)
9) Wipe out the Screaming Skulls
10) Victory!


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Mikademus on April 27, 2009, 04:15:02 PM
the one thing i remember i did was killing the dread lort simply by driving him over with the steam tank  :)
The terror of the world was killed by a tractor.....

And this is why the Undead outlawed farming.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: lordbraprus on July 27, 2009, 11:22:48 AM
late but sure , i just used all cavaleries attacking from behind to make them fle: , ragnar, morgan, knights of realm, and pistoliers sometimes, then i used ice mage to maximun with book and staf, mortar cannon crossbowmen grudgbringer infantery , longswordman, and flagelants all in the left left left corner , the cavaleries with pistoliers to the right corner atacking from behind to mumies while my left armie hold the line :O
ice mage rocks


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kypper on August 14, 2009, 11:34:19 PM
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8140/frozennagash.jpg)

'Wanna an ice cream, my Lord ? :P


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: lordbraprus on August 18, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
i killed 4 black grial with one of that tornado :O


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Jim on October 03, 2009, 01:56:08 AM
The last time I played this battle, I smashed Dread-King with a Tank, hehe. That was funny. I didn't know that's possible.
He, of course, casted speels against the Tank, while they were heading each other, but I covered the tank with dispells vigorously by Luther.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: bembelimen on October 04, 2009, 04:00:03 PM
It seems, that I play very boring...I always shoot the Dread King with archers+X-bows and then go into CC (last lvl who cares losts ;))


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Jim on October 07, 2009, 04:50:08 AM
I was intrigued by the way of killing Dread King with Volodimir. Actually I've never taken him in the last battle at all, cause Luther was several levels more poweful at this moment.
Today I decided to try. And it went well  :)

Vova the King (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0X6z9qwms#normal)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Flak on October 07, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
you are kidding me HAHAHA that is one of the coolest things ive ever seen, ive used the ice mage to get the catapults never the dread king


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Lindar on October 13, 2009, 10:21:21 PM
hey guys, I'm new to this forum, I've looked around a bit and its realy fun :)

But about the last level, what I did was just stay where you are and kill the waves that come at you. Then when the waves stop, move you're best unit (In my case Grudgebringer cavalier equiped with rune fang, horn, and arcane banner (sorry, but I dont remember the exact names right now)) and killed a group of skelly archers and a catapult on my way, then I the Dread king came at me, I shot him+the necromancer when they came at me. Then just kill the rest of mummys that come at you.

BTW I used the bright mage to kill the catapults (equiped with all special mage items). Just teleport behind them and burn em down, like he said: =That wich is dead may still burn :)


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Lord Ludwig on October 21, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
The first time I got to fight the final battle there just was no way I could win it, no matter how many times I tried. I noticed however two things: 1) the more experienced units survived longer; 2) I killed a lot of my own by not halting cannon and mortar fire in time (I'm not that good at real time micromanagement, I do a lot better in turn based ;D)
So I came to a drastical solution: I replayed the campaign deciding right from the start which were going to be the final 10 units, and thus giving xp only to them. The list was, at first, easily made: grudgebringer cavalry (forced, and one of the best anyway), grudgebringer crossbows, ragnar wolves, fire mage, flagellants, ogres, elven bows, pistoliers. The rest was a bit harder. The ice mage requires a lot of micromanagement and is hard to get experienced; greatswords and dwarves more or less suck, cannons are dangerous for your own people... so I took the grudgebringer infantry, which is nothing to write home about but at least you get it from the start, and never deployed cannons, mortar, steam tank. Some levels were a nightmare without their long reach, but in the end my units were all at full xp or close, and the final battle was, if not really easy, finally winnable. Then I experimented a little with less than 10 units, I can't really remember what was the lowest number I managed to beat the dread king with, but I do remember once killing about 90% of the undead  with the fire mage.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Kyjja on November 07, 2009, 01:47:13 AM
Yes, you can kill the king with Tornado, but it is more efficient to cast the maximum tornado at the same time (the best is to spend all your magic points). The three first nado will be negated, then the other will surely hit the king.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: hari8 on November 25, 2009, 05:30:32 PM
Bah, I stay and I wait until every Mummie coming is dead; if there's am moment no mummie come, I go with my Grudebringer Cavalry with Grudebringer Sword, Ptolos and Banner of Wut(I don't now the English word, Banner of angry?!). So I go around, and kill the archers and the Katapult(I don't now the English word, too). If the next mummies come, I go back to my troops. If the Dread King is coming, I take my Fire Mager and do some of the Area Spells(Meteorit) after 3, the Dread King is dead and I can go on with the same thing i did before.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: warhammerfreak on November 25, 2009, 05:33:59 PM
I think you mean the banner of wrath and a mortar.


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Zywy on December 24, 2009, 11:22:29 AM
Driving trough mummies is a good strategy.
Driving troug Lich King is eaven better:)
I've charged the steamtank too forward, the LichKing atacks the tank - i got no other choice to atack him(too slow to retreat) and...ST drive through it  - King dies in the event:))
 
I,ve got witnesses on this:):)
Last battle - less than 15 minutes

Sorry, for bad english
 


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Zymeth on August 21, 2010, 08:13:05 PM
I soon lost the three then five regiments, I thought the game would be lost.

the fire magician the Necromancer and the king dred killed by meteor

in the end I had grudge one unit of kav and I to the fire magician and the wood elves make hit and run und so win the game  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Darkmancer on August 21, 2010, 08:54:48 PM
Want the final level you get when you lose against count carstein, the black grail, and the Hand of Nagash? :)

You get to fught against the hand and the black grail as well as the usual stuff you get on the final lvl.



Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: Ghabry on August 22, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
And dont forget that the Dread King wants to beat you in a mental way by saying "Juwel, give me power!" every few seconds ;).


Title: Re: How to beat the last battle (Black Pyramid).
Post by: alavet on August 22, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
I was intrigued by the way of killing Dread King with Volodimir. Actually I've never taken him in the last battle at all, cause Luther was several levels more poweful at this moment.
Today I decided to try. And it went well  :)

Vova the King ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0X6z9qwms#normal[/url])


little offtopic but i see game is lagging. meaning you runing the game at CPU high details
i had same thing, but if you try CPU and average details game willnt lag at all. it plays WAY better.

you also need to install high quality textures from main DO site though. and even after that graphic will suck but you will get used to it, speed is way more benefecial, at least for me