Warhammer Dark Omen Forum

And as usual the monthly tournament ;)

Date: 1st May 2010 (5pm GMT+0) (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=1&month=5&year=2010&hour=17&min=00&sec=0&p1=136)
Register Deadline: 27st April 2010
Confirmation Deadline: 29rd April 2010

Ruleset: Dark Omen Expanded

Players (7/11)

• alavet confirmed
• Wkurwiony confirmed
• Darkmancer confirmed
• Flak
• Ghabry confirmed
• Jeronimo confirmed
• lordbraprus
• Nitrox
• olly
• Rust confirmed
• Leebowyer confirmed

Votings:

Available Rulesets: 3k/10 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/3000/10), 9k/30 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/9000/30), DOST5 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/DOST_V5), Factions (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/Factions), Fair Omen (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/Fair_Omen), New Balance (http://=http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/new-balance-revamped-t658.0.html), CDO (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/i-present-my-multiplayer-mod-cdo-t656.0.html), Back to the Roots (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/back-to-the-roots-bttr-t683.0.html), Restrict (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/balance-by-restriction-restrict-t690.0.html), Dark Omen Expanded (http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v110a-out-now-get-it-while-its-hot-t715.0.html), NoRules

Ruleset:

• 5 - Dark Omen Expanded (alavet, Nitrox, Ghabry, Flak, olly)
• 1 - Restrict (Darkmancer)

Fixture

3 Player Groups: 3 Battles per opponent.
4 Player Groups: 2 Battles per opponent.

1 Army per Race max!
= You need at least 3 Armies (no race duplicates against one opponent)

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Qualification

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Semi Final

3 Fights per Enemy

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Final

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Results



Congratulation wkurwiony

Videos by wkurwiony (Pre Tournament)

24-4-2010 DOE vs alavet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Lclur_fWE#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DOE vs jeronimo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Gk5ZiAh84#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DOE vs olor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnfPHgsfjos#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHAUqs3NBJM#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Videos by Ghabry  (Tournament)

Dark Omen (April 2010) DOE - vs. Darkmancer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tuTrcu1JqI#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen (April 2010) DOE - vs. Darkmancer II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRneSjmR-wg#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen (April 2010) DOE - vs. alavet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_PCjPwyNlU#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen April2010 DOE - vs. wkurwiony.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXOqBZwVgk#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen April2010 DOE - vs. wkurwiony II.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHkwLRnJreI#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen April2010 DOE - vs. wkurwiony (Draw Game).avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC_BQeaY80#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Videos by wkurwiony
Qualification:
Tourament April 2010 vs alavet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEw3Ak070Gs#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs alavet II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xD85jDjcag#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs darkmancer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak1V53seKig#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs darkmancer II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxjIG7UoVhU#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs ghabry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMssGAg8Rqw#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs ghabry II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI8ya-EiYVc#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (drawgame) vs ghabry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFe8OnTmw-Y#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Semi Final:
Tourament April 2010 (semi) vs olor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGeDb4RHLVM#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (semi) vs olor II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPRF_p9uOfw#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Final:
Tourament April 2010 (final) vs rust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtFIPpP0aa0#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (final) vs rust II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdZD5caRYI#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

I will prolly not be participating sry.

not 100% sure i can take part but my vote goes for DoE whatever :)

i would like to join

wanted to vote for grend's mod but since he made mini tourney ill hold my voice for now

Sign me up, I vote for Restrict, followed by DOE if thats not going to win.

I am in ;D

Sign me in, I'll wait to say my vote.

sign me in, i will vote later. love you all

Don't forget the Tournament while discussing DOE :D.
One week left for signin.

Sing me in vote for DOE.

"... and we were few"
i confirm

I feel like I should join but finals are closing in on me, and I though I like spending alot of my time making sprites for this game, it just is not that entertaining to play at times. I so wish that one of the remake projects were done, as the networking issues and small scale, plus the absolute lack of knowledge about how battles are resolved in DO is quite off putting.

So props to the guys who play, you rock!

i advice to force people use game ranger (with link to the guide attached).

never used it before

Hi Grend, when u say "plus the absolute lack of knowledge about how battles are resolved in DO is quite off putting"

Can you elaborate further please - if this doesn't help.

http://forum.dark-omen.org/singleplayer/sothr-game-mechanics-stats-t273.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/singleplayer/sothr-game-mechanics-stats-t273.0.html)

Thnx

:)


(I would also like to confirm for this Saturday's Tournament - and vote for DOE)

Im in Favour of testing latest version of GameRanger as well

http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/gameranger-a-new-place-to-play-dark-omen-online-t157.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/gameranger-a-new-place-to-play-dark-omen-online-t157.0.html)

Time for confirmation. Small tournament this time :).

Confirm

It's a shame we can't get everybody to make 1 army of every race in DOE then do a army elimination tournament :)

Unfortunatly I'd think it'd take too long thou.

conf

Confirm

Confirmation granted.



Good idea Darkmancer. I suggest Team Tournament some day (with DOE).

All players are split in 2 Clans (Magic Egg Shuffle). 1 Race-1 Army per Player.
Wins the Clan (group of players) who beat the other Clan: A entire Side wins.

Races are sorted for each Clan (they dont repeat). Then players inside each Clan, choose what Race to pick (post pick up, in order of post after Race dice, the last member in choosing will use the remaining race :)).

Players have as much battles as they can, one after other.
A player "dies" when his Army loses 3 battles (must play vs different opponents, cant repeat same enemy until he has played vs everyone of enemy Clan).

NOTE: Its quite survival style. Since you fight all you can, eliminating opposite side (or you get eliminated this way). It would be awesome to be the last alive of your Clan and kill all the others alone :) (hope is in YOU).

confirm and vote DOE

and magic egg dance will be Friday after confirmation has ended



Ghabry will say when it ends

Actually Jeronimo I meant each person has 12 armies 1 for each race.  Then do elimination.

It's have an eliment of balancing in (the best races would constently survive), but more importantly it'd get people playing the sides they don't usually play with and hopefully show off the different playstyles of the different races.

Plus no matter how sucky you are your guarentied 12 games at least :)

Sounds Good to Me!

:)

upps the date was wrong. The tournament is of course on Saturday not on Sunday ;).

Ok Flak can slowly start preparing the egg dance...

Groups of 4 and 3 it looks like.

About a 12 Races elimination: That would take too long for one weekend. Maybe we can organize a better time frame for this (conquest like, report the battle results when you got time).

I dont confirm - no time tommorow, my brother is teaching me to last examines in the end of Gymnasium

Balls I realised I can't make the tournament.  For some reason I thought it was on Sunday.

Egg dance tomorrow at around 13:00-14:00

Sorry guys, just found out that I will have no time today in the evening.
Now only 5 players are left.

2 Solutions:
- Flak manages the tournament (and you play today)
- We move to next weekend (1st May) in the hope that more people have time there.

I can run it Ghabry no ptoblem

FELLAS WE WILL PLAY TODAY ;D

lol just to underline our luck today, a piglet bit my mouse button finger, little bastard

woohoo

oh and btw if we will be only five guys maybe one group with five games each ? :P

i suggest to make unofficial tourney today but official one 1st May as Gharby suggested.

can take part at both

1st may is good for me also

Today is Official we could face new problems on 1st May

Ive already made the Fixture list http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-april-2010-t719.0.html;msg7243#msg7243 (http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-april-2010-t719.0.html;msg7243#msg7243)

sorry wkurwiony no egg dance today

btw one question for DOE rules, am i allowed to buy any items?

btw lets be sure we're using same versions?
i found this one as latest:
http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v110a-out-now-get-it-while-its-hot-t715.0.html;msg7291#msg7291 (http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v110a-out-now-get-it-while-its-hot-t715.0.html;msg7291#msg7291)
can some1 confirm?

http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v12-out-rebalance-and-community-wishes-t724.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v12-out-rebalance-and-community-wishes-t724.0.html)

1.2 is latest i think

yeah 1.2 is the newest it seens

http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v12-out-rebalance-and-community-wishes-t724.0.html;msg7367#msg7367 (http://forum.dark-omen.org/dark-omen-expanded/release-v12-out-rebalance-and-community-wishes-t724.0.html;msg7367#msg7367)

Well only the heros can were items.
One Hero max per army. No Horn or BoW. According to tournament-text of Grend.

ok just made armies under 5k woohoo

btw ill be recording this tourney, i fixed sound problems. so i hope there will be some cool battles !

So...

Alavet
Wkurwiony
Jeronimo
Olly
Flak

Mmmh. Interesting.

Lets do "Game-Ranger + DO chat" Tourney.
Someone connect to Chat Room please :D, perhaps a pre-battle?

PD: And I will play in 1st March too, of course.

ohh menn i forgot to confirmmmm, and now it is late i think :S :( any way iam in the same ciber as my brother... download gameranger from www.gameranger.com (http://www.gameranger.com) you only have to make a account and activate with your mail. and then just play :D

Scores were abandoned but thank you all for playing it was fun!

:)

Good testing as well (my Orcs didnt crash at all and neither did my Vamp Counts or Wood Elves but I think my Dark Elves (necro) crashed when charging perhaps


(Battle Pics to follow soon)

OK this was not as successful as expected ;).

The tournament will be on 1st May!

All confirmations have been cleared.
Sign in is possible again too.

sign me in. balanc changes should be implemented, post on monday

Sadly I can't play next Saturday as I rescheduled everything to next weekend, to allow me to play last night and the decision to make the Tournament on the 1st of May was only made yesterday. I've only ever missed a few Tournaments, including Mini and Official ones, since they began. So Good Luck, Have Fun, i know i would.

;)

Wkur v Olly My Wood Elves lost but fought bravely
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1379/wkur.jpg) (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/wkur.jpg/)

Wkur v Olly My Greenskins were crushed
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5145/wkur23.jpg) (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/wkur23.jpg/)

Wkur v Olly My Vampire Counts put up a tough battle
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7464/wkur4.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/wkur4.jpg/)


Jeronimo v Olly My last Unit was Surrounded!
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6650/jeroc.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/jeroc.jpg/)

Dark Omen Expanded is Fantastic-Many Thnx

:)
 

ok here is some of the games from yesterday

24-4-2010 DOE vs alavet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Lclur_fWE#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DOE vs jeronimo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Gk5ZiAh84#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DOE vs olor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnfPHgsfjos#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

24-4-2010 DOE vs olly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHAUqs3NBJM#lq)

nice games aside from a bit of accidental cheating from Jeronimo :)

I sign in again for 1st May.

Yes Darkma, I thought we could afford for max 1 of each hero (bold letters).

Then Wkur told me is 1 of "bold letters" as max: max 1 hero per army.

Comentary: This way I'll always prefer to pick up a Mage instead of a Leader (L banner), and you?

Depends on the race.

hi people, listen i have seen the videos, the pics, and my brother battles when i was at his side while he was playing.

after that and before the battles, knowing the things behind the sprites, and then reading some comments as olly ones and darkmancer, and others that will come later, i have reached to the conclusion that here there are several problems, maybe just problems... but things are not ALL-Right.

i will start slowly, like a introduction of the state of things..

Grend, our dear grend did a good job, with a lot of effort in making the sprites, that is a fact.
At first, months ago i just thougt taht his objective was just make the sprites and then someone assing the sprites the atributtes that they (the sprites) should have.. but grend have the idea and it is just fine, but he decided to make all the atributes and balance things, cool a hard worked, but as he was making the differents versions of his DOE i realiced that he was not " making sprites of all races, so then can play with all them in dark omen"; oh no, he just was making his own mod, with his own rules, with his balance and even atributes..

while he was doing that, users of this forum ,even me congraturated him for the sprites job, because yes is a nicve job, but then the users keeped congraturations him even when he uploaded the mod so the players could tested it, and well there are some videos about battles testing the mod, and the comments? "good job, good mod" , but why? why always saying that when you had the files 2parm where you have the atributtes? well easy, you never oppened the file and take a look of what are you using, you just post an opinion or coment based on the sprites and the battles actions movements like "wow! that dark elf ballista almost killed my mage" so you with the emotion, of having exiting battles with new sprites, post that the mod is very cool.

me, my brother and , i dont know how much  did he investigateds, but alavet too,  posted that grend should make some changes for the game balance; anyway the day of tourny reached and the mod with all the errors that it have, and you olly darkmancer and others doesnt know, was the choosen to be played.

the tourny finish and then olly posted some images , ok good but,there is again what happen with sprites/atributes, you only see the image/sprite but dont know the story/atributte behind. and well then the videos. Now, my point is this.

grend mod have this (and more) not well ubicated things:

first, units like imperial longswords, ogres, some orc unit have inmune to fear (that is not OK)
then, a important unit, the wraiths, some ppl say they are hard to kill, and others that not, well here in DOE there is a 12/12 wraiths unit, waw they are alot you say, well they are, and they have UNBREAKABLE(wrong), skeleton flag (super wrong), and as you know, they only can be killed by magic swords, and atributtes?, they are an invent of grend mind when he is dreaming, they have 1 wound 10 leadership 10??... 2 strengh 2 initiative.. that atributtes are so far from wraiths as the spirit host real atributes, when the have 4 leadership, 4 wounds 3 strenght 1 initiative...

so there you have a really clear example of just one unit, imagine, no, dont imagine, just look with w32edit the units atributtes, there are others thigs like the steam tank 6 movement? an arcaic invent made of heavy materials move faster than a horse?.. ah dont forget, it have inmune to fear, and cause fear and terror??? and never retreat, when just, in simple way, it CANT ENTER IN COMBAT it just can pass over the enemies and crush them.

black knight have +2 leardiship than originals
dire wolfs, have 6 leadirship, when original have 3

in orcs there are thing like , the goblin bolt thrower ignore retreat button/never retreat, but he orc lobber can retreat?
zavage orcs 2 attaks, when they have only 1, and they have always pursue (wrong, like all thing i am mentionating) .

so here i touch the always pursue atribute that grend have implemented in many units that should not have it.
what is the point to put that atributte, to infantery units like savages orcs and flagelants units taht like all exept heroes, cant take items to help them to protect from magic or impacts (ptolos) while they are pursuing the routting enemy units, if flagelants pursue a faster units, they will be masacred with magic and arrows or cannon whatever..

now only heroes can take items , well , and you just can have 1 or 2 heroes, how can a player defeat a vampire count armie with 1 heroe, if the vampire count have 1 or 2 12/12 spirits host?, making obligation to buy a sword to have a unit that can be able to kill them, so the others items are just painted in the books and you say "ahh beatifull drawing" because yo never will buy a stregh potion, the heart of woe, the arcan banner, you just will buy a sword, or like i told you in the beggining of all this, the pic where olly shows his orc boar leader with the defiance banner "fighting" against spirits host, he would never have a chance to win the batlle from the beggining cause he has no sword, just a brave orc that will never rout, and never kill a spirit  host, not even making them rout, because they are unbreakable,..

well iam tired of writting, there are LOTS of atributtes grend-style, around Dark Omen Expanded, so are playing a dark omen expanded version, original + expanded units? answer NOT , are we at least playing a warhammer game in other edition? answer NOT, so ok, in my opinion we are playing a game that grend invented, with dark omen engine, in that way it should not be called Dark Omen expanded, just,, Grend first game or what he wants.

I want to remind you all, that i dont do this just to trough shit on grend, i say this to open your  eyes and stop spaming "good job" just beause you see beatifull sprites.

bye, love you all.

dark mancer, please if you will tell me to grow up again, you should....

this is to make you a really honest group that work all togheter to make a good game, balance sprites, everething , not just say the "good work" and wash hands.

Testing any mod in a Tournament is designed to produce constructive views and comments like your own.You would make ideal and welcomed testers,considering how we all appreciate the many areas the mod covers- Sprites,banners,portraits,stats etc.. - A Massive Project and Very Good Job!

Extending the Home Page Troops Area with a separate section for the DOE Mod Races and units would also be good for learning stats and banners perhaps in the future. http://en.dark-omen.org/troops.html (http://en.dark-omen.org/troops.html)  . It all depends on the time fans have and lately i unfortunately don't have much to highlight issues but I do prioritise crashes over balance.Hence my brief post at the time- "Good testing as well (my Orcs didnt crash at all and neither did my Vamp Counts or Wood Elves but I think my Dark Elves (necro) crashed when charging perhaps" - Sorcerer

I agree that Combined as a Testing Team this Mod will evolve even further and better but I did also play some good Fair and balanced Battles. It's Early days so the more its played and tested the more it will enhance but so far its amazing progress and a Dream Come True to play other Races that "simply" requires balancing over time, like the original still needs.

Having Beta tested all the various stages of DOE and participating in its Mini and Official Tournaments is hardly washing hands of it or being Blinded by the excellent new sprites. So Don't concern yourself about posts that praise the overall success of the Project. I'm Glad you've decided to assist and share your Balance knowledge and opinions, the more the merrier!

:)

Olly, Darkmancer, and I suspect many others do know that there are severals errors, we (hopefully) got rid of all the crash errors, there's nothing particully game breaking about the mistakes currently in, we’ve chated to grend and I messaged him about some of the mistakes, mistakes he will correct when he gets time.


Nobody died and made you king of Warhammer, DOE is not your mod, you have no right to say what is and is not OK, feel free to make constructive suggestions or point out mistakes.

The skeleton flag makes them killable in melee by any weapons via combat resolution, if the spirt host was implemented like the tabletop game it would be seriously game breaking with 4 attacks, and with the general lack of item use in DOE(which is quite pleasant actually), i'm a bit dubious of the new stats but need a few games before I comment.

The steamtank no longer has the steam tank rules in combat and so can be engaged in H2H, play some games as empire before you declare it to fast/powerful etc.
Bloodthirst can be an advantage (by chasing units of the map) but tends to be a disadvantage.  Lets take Orc boyz vs savage orcs – both the same price however the boyz have more armour and are more controllable, where as the savage orcs get 2 attacks and are less controllable, which is fairly appropriate.

If you’ve got a unit with bloodthirst, don’t charge it on it’s own, and try to avoid going after crap units with it, or it’s your own stupid fault if you lose it, like wise if your opponent has bloodthirsty units you may be able to take advantage of it, and OMG tactics in Dark Omen, never!
Dark Omen is never going to be a perfect recreation of the tabletop game, both being real-time and with the limitations of Dark Omen itself, from hovering around some of the WH forums, there’s plenty of complaining about imbalances in the tabletop game.

Yes there are mistakes in DOE that doesn’t mean it’s not fun to play, I enjoyed playing the mini-tournament more than all the other ones I participated in.

I don’t think you intentionally being offensive to Grend and the general community, but I think you are being.   

i actualy think lorbrapus post is absolutely nto offensive and actualy suprisingly open minded. good job for sprites Grend AND good job for balancing, but you cant make balance in 2 attempts, you need to polish it in dozens of changes, always. so nothign wrong if its not super balanced now imo, and its already a good mod by its own.

hovewer i dont compeltely i agree with his changes, as i also see some medium leaks at the current balance, even i only tested  4 races (and played vs 5). i'm going to put balance discussion to other other thread though.

I like this mod because its fresh and fun to play even with some units being too powerful or too weak for their price.

1. i like bloodthirst, and i dont think it should be considered as advantage for a unit. its nothing player couldnt do by himself but it adds more thinking about using such regiments

2. yes only some heroes can carry a magic items, i dont have problem with that as grend gave some units items as "special abilities" so it wouldnt be right for some regiment to pick such item

3. i like how wraiths works in vanilla. in DOE i only had one game against them so still cant say much about them

4. having "max 3 units" rule would be nice, no single unit armies

5. about tournaments i think player should play 3 diffrent races and not 3 diffrent races from each slot (human, greenskin, undead)

6. sing me in for 1st may ;]

7. "warning unreal" - having a 3rd party program to create armies, that would show stats of units. i dont have problem with alt+tabbing to check what each unit is good for but as we know people are lazy, and for new players that might be too much

In warhammer tabletop steam tank can get into hth \o/.

Please sign me on the 1st of may.

Hi, i'm newbie here. Sign me on 1st may.
And just to be sure - for this tournament i need to download and install DOE on original Darkomen, right?

Should be possible with wh32edit, if you write a new xml file. Ask Ghabry for it.

Hm no. Wh32Edit is not suitable for buying armies. Because it doesn't reduce Gold Coins e.g.

Welcome Rust and Leebowyer! See you in 1st May for some battles! ;)

Neither I could believe my brother would write such post.

I didnt read all of it, and im tired of defending myself. Of course it isnt balanced atm, it needs way more testing. The way DOE wlrks has been the intention all the time. Most of your suggestilns have evEn been implemented. I always imagined giving balance feedback like 5k15, sincE i know I dont know everythkng.

You dont have to play it, Im not forcing anyone.

One example though: savage orcs have frenzy in tabletop
frenzy does: immune to psychology ( immune to fear), +1 attack and must always pursue (bloodthirst)
as you can see to make this work in DO some creative things must be done. If creativity wasnt used in making units, they would all act the same way and what would be the point of making new units then?

Most of the creativity and gEnious of the lists come from mormacili,  I just try to balance the lists with smaller changes.

I believe in your work Grend. Just that is twisted too much from real Warhammer Stats.
This is what my bro called Grend-Mormacili Style and not Warhammer Game.

When I offered myself to change Stats of Fair Omen (long ago) I immediatly found opposition (Nitrox remembers). In few words... respect Warhammer values (and DO).

If Dire Wolves have L3, dont make them L6+cowardly.
I also noticed our Treeman has -1 T (6 instead of 7)
Zombies have -1 WS (1! instead of 2). Was this necessary?

All this negative reaction can be reverted Grend. Follow these ideas:

1) Expanded should keep Warhammer TT values (if this is already imba, as Darkmancer posted, doesnt matter)
The points to touch are GOLD and SIZE, not stats. I have resolved my problems with FO by this way :)

2) Pass to 9k size, 6k of armies/3k of reinforcements for heroes and regular regiments, so we can enhance our army to our will. But here implement the idea of 24/32 for goblins, 16/20 for Kossars, etc.

3) I have been several months with Fair Omen despite being something "simple". I can lend you my balance Experience about the original regiments, but if you destroy their identities, i wont be able to give a sharp balancing help.

4) Since its a MOD, keep Total Freedom about Armybuild, except heroes. I would like max 1 hero per Type, not per Army as many say. Kislev: Combining Ice Bitch + Boyar boyz should be totally possible.

I never said one in total just one of each,

the ld 3 argument is stupid. Undead have different game mechanics in the table top than in this game. Porting the leadership without changes would be straight out retarded. Really tired of the two of you, and this whole annoyance of a project. How about contributing in some other way than criticizing obvious design choices that have a purpose, and try to do something useful?

Sorry about the bad manners but Im tired of defending this project as well as people trying to bully their own visions onto mine and mormacilis project. We didnt make this project to appease anyone here, we did it for our own enjoyment. If you disagree because you do not understand how this game functions compared to the tt then guess what? You will mostly be ignored.

Go back to the regular thing or play DOE, I dont care. I have more interesting things to spend my free time on than discussing this anymore.

umm back to the plot.

Confirm

Fine Grend. We will stop here (or at least me).

Yes my argument 3 is stupid, is not really an argument (just an idea).

Confirm.

Confirm for may \o/? if yes - confirm

During this Saturday's Tournament, may I politely request some new Dark Omen Expanded Showcase Movies Please-

So I can include them in my Recruitment Posts on other Game/Warhammer websites.

Ideally they will zoom into both Armies before Deployment to demonstrate the Camera Functions (Zoom and Rotation) and towards the end of each battle when we can afford to do so. If there is any chance of having English Voices then so much the better (sorry).

:)

Yes confirmation is open of course ;).

k I will use English voices this time.

confirm

confirm

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I'd recommend people not use the sample armies, or any created for the first mini tournament as you'll have a increase risk of crashing.

End of Confirmation. I will prepare the fixture.

About the rules: DOE rules apply (no BoW or HoU) and for army builds I suggest: Use every race once against an opponent. So you must have at least 3 armies. 12 Armies (12 races?) is the maximum. Only one army per race max!

I've gone though the spreadsheet and updated many of the details in it.  I'm sure there's still some mistakes in there, but it's alot more accurate than before.

I have also added a squads column, by entering how many squads you want of a particular unit, it'll work out the cost below.  I find it's easier to build my army in the spreadsheet, as the in game armybook, isn't very clear at the moment.

Finally, I think some of the artillary may still be bugged.  If your artillary is engaged in melee for a suspisious amount of time, hit the retreat button.  I think the empire cannon, and kislev motar maybe bugged. (*note this does not apply to the chaos dwarves, whose arty is meant to be super tough).

gj mancer, that would help!

Sorry very much - i will be unable to play today, i'm going to my cousin birthday so.. Sorry very much :(

The squad column works well- thnx Darkmancer

Perhaps as an on going project we can add banners to the Troops.

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9108/banners2.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/banners2.jpg/)

:)

hello all, please join our hamachi channel for tourney:

network name:
Dark-Omen-Tournament
password: darkomen

also you can use IRC to chat between battles:

server 85.214.51.137
channel: #dark-omen

or use online chat
www.chat.dark-omen.org (http://www.chat.dark-omen.org)
irc://ranger.de.eu.phat-net.de/dark-omen (http://irc://ranger.de.eu.phat-net.de/dark-omen)

thanks all for participating it was fun to play, esp with empire ;)

well deserved places (ALMOST! I NEEDED 1st PLACE FOR SURE).
congrats to the winners!

and WK won another tourney. ohhh..

thx for games all

ah another tournament that alavet didnt won ^^

Well done Wkur ;D

Alavet is till within my reach  :D

Tourament April 2010 vs alavet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEw3Ak070Gs#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs alavet II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xD85jDjcag#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs darkmancer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak1V53seKig#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs darkmancer II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxjIG7UoVhU#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs ghabry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMssGAg8Rqw#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 vs ghabry II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI8ya-EiYVc#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (drawgame) vs ghabry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFe8OnTmw-Y#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

ok first videos from yesterday ill put rest later today

wtf@ video where gharby plays against wk and uses 3 heroes (banshee + vamp + mage) ??? its agaisnt urles isnt it?

No it's one per type.  Grend mentions it earlier in this forum.

Hmm WK mentions imortals where imbalanced, i though they were okay but i've just checked and they're 900 points, it says in the spreadsheet 1050 which is what i think they're supposed to cost (i think they may need to lose a few models too but hey ho).

I work out WK's choas dwarf army to be 5100 points (using the correct 900gp figure) or am I figuring it out wrong?

@darkmancer

3x immortales - 900
1x blunderblussiens - 900
1x hell cannon - 900
1x goblin slave archers - 450

overall price 4950 as low as it can get ;]

and about immortales i said imba because they got dispell hehe. in first game i learned about it while playing ghabry ;] they can put dispell on any unit making enemy spells pretty much useless. imprevious to magic could be better for them instead of dispell and that antifire item

anyways here is the rest of the videos

Tourament April 2010 (semi) vs olor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGeDb4RHLVM#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (semi) vs olor II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPRF_p9uOfw#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (final) vs rust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtFIPpP0aa0#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)

Tourament April 2010 (final) vs rust II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJdZD5caRYI#lq)

btw who got 3rd place? Alavet or Rust because I havnt followed until the end.

Neither of them, me :P

Ahh the hell cannon only 900 too, I had it at 1050gp.


Re immortals i compare them to chosen chaos warriors:
Chosen Warriors   4,5,0,4,4,1,5,2,8,4,   10 units    900gp   Immune to fear, Bloodthirst      
Immortales   3,5,3,4,4,1,2,2,10,4 16 units    900gp   Wight Blades, Immune to fear, Immune to fire, Magic Resistance

So +3 init +1 movement and cursed with bloodlust vs +6 units immune to fire and dispel.  I think immortals do warrent the 1050 gp proper cost. 

I'm not so fussed about dispel, it takes mp, you only can cast 1 point and crucially it requires pro-action on the players part vs just the magic immunity attribute.                        
               

Yay! So many videos to watch! \o/

lol. Sorry ;)

Just finshed watching the Battle Vids- very good moments!

It will be great to play your v Ghabry ones, along side his.

:)

OH! VIDEOS!

Very nice Army Wkurwiony with Ogres Kingdoms

7 Ogres Bullier + 1 Butcher (Magi)

Somehow... it sounds familiar to me :);):D;D

I apologize because I couldnt play (and confirmed).
Cybers around the area were closed, 1st May "Day of the Worker", I forgot about it.

All in all, entertaining battles (videos). Now wait... 1 month.

Congrats Wkur, Rust, Olor! and Alavet  :D

I'll be about on gameranger alot so if anyone want a game of DOE just join me in Gameranger

and me

:)

@jeronimo

yeah i copied spam of ogre bulls :D hehe no really i liked your army and wanted give it a try and hey it works but IMO my trolls > butcher he was a key element to victory

@olly

olly since we all started gameranger maybe it would be a good idea for a sticky thread with nick of players using gameranger ? so that we could add each other to friedns and see who is online etc

Good Idea, will do, along with ammending the Multiplayer Fix Guide to Bigup GameRanger, as a tried and tested alternative to Hamachi.

:)

Yes, lets use "Friends" of Gameranger, also I would like to play all saturdays (fun games until Tournament)

I ll be all Saturdays at 17.00 (+0 GTM). Game-Ranger      Nick Jeronimo

Aclaration: I will wait 30 minutes, until 17.30 (+0 GTM). If noone makes me company I ll quit (I have to play from a cyber, i wont waste money if im alone). Any Ruleset!! 7kBalance, DOE, FO, Dostv2002 :), any!!!

@Wkuriokwioniy ;D: I noticed late the "Troll". I prefered the Butcher because can Cast Magic. Comes with "Mork save uz" which I cast to 1 Ogre Bull and run out enemy Wizard.
I dislike seeing my magic points accumulate so you know.. I always play with a Mage!

hmm mostly because you hid what your force was - that works once.  I think my butcher was responsible for most of the ogres i managed to kill, i think it was using leadbelchers that lost me that match (mixed with fraps, and over agression).  But i can't resist using them, they so fun :)

@Darkmancer: What version did u use? Can you record sound well with it? Im tryting to get a reliable version.

I saw Wkur videos Cursor is not recorded.
I want to record with cursor + sound + less lag as possible. Whats the best version for this personal desire?


IMO guys: 7 Ogre Bulls + 1 Butcher: best Ogre Kingdoms Army ever :)


@Darkmancer: Did Grend "change" 1.2 version secretly?
Zombies were supposed to have imm to fear (during Pre-Tourney they had)

wrong jeronimo,
troll got dispell and is best unit of all time, thus 7 ogre trolls + troll = pure gold / but its my army dont copy plz ;D

and on a serious note fraps 2.9.9 got it all what you need, i choose not to show cursor in options

Ok. But we were able to get olor to join in last minute ;).

I prefer with cursor because following the game play is otherwise more difficult (because you cant directly see movement targets and attack targets).

Hehehe you want to discuss eeEE! aaAA! ;)

Butcher: Plus the "Mork save uz", I also prey for having the "Ere we go!" Spell or Mork ray is also good.
Since its a Magi, I can use the Green Ray as it were Osiris Staff, and yes... be VERY careful.

This 1.2v Butcher its quite Strong, 4 attacks 3 wounds. Imo better than a Troll.
Instead of having cause fear, he comes with cause love wich is 3 times better. ;)

@Ghabry: Olor is like a secret, always welcome, player.
He justs APPEARS! in the best moment.

Oh... mysterious Olor... where are you tonight? :'(  (ye ye too much dosis)

Tonight I'm in house reading the net? D:
(Also small 'o' please :P)

olor i hope to find you next saturday in DO chat. I want to play some battles with everyone.
GR or hamachi, what you prefer...

All Videos online (at the usual place, 3rd post).

Only one video vs. alavet because in the first we had lots of disconnnects and I deleted them all...

Darkamncer: are you gonna show up some videos? gonna watch this canon fest!

Jeronimo: why u have to go play DO at cyber? why not at your home?

Im not at DO-base home. Im living in another city to study :) (no PC at "home" yet)