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Back to the Roots (BTTR)

[Darkmancer]

I'm sorry Jeroimo I dislike your method of balancing, I find it too overblown.

@ Mika your spending way too much time on Wikipedia, Seriously

I'm posting a ruleset with a slightly different take to bttb here: http://forum.dark-omen.org/index.php/topic,690.msg6864.html

Im' posting it on another thread too avoid derailing this one too much

[Mikademus]

@ Mika your spending way too much time on Wikipedia, Seriously

You mean the "see the intent not the letter" and "gaming the system" (WP:GAME)? Well, those ARE two very good principles, and I have recetnly been involved in conflict with an exhausting editor with autism or Asperger Syndrome, which made me study up on WP principles. So yeah, you're right...

[Jeronimo]

I'm sorry Jeroimo I dislike your method of balancing, I find it too overblown.

Perhaps yes. I admit centring attention for every single detail (it drives to obsession).
Its because Im very analyst about Systems and Structures, all that stuff makes me think hard.


Concerning to Bembelimen POST, I also dont think during battle (gaah Pistoliers should had been at 5 points instead of 4...). When you are in battle, nothing more matters than playing focus in action.

However, its the "behind scenes" what matters to me. I will "enjoy" the moment of Armybuild if my conscience approves the System as "OK", and this feeling is more important that you imagine.

You have to look for the "reliable feeling", although it feeling comes in different ways.
Example: Pistoliers in relation with orc boyz are OK (and Darkmancer approves the system).
But Me, then I relation Pistoliers with all regiments, also orc boyz in relation with Skeletons, mercenary infantry, etc.

Its the deep analysis in which every Regiment is in relation with every other Regiment (and Fair Omen borned from that obsession because I needed to satisfy my conscience).
PD: My Rule for Wizard is of that kind (since there is not well balanced Magic Books).

Dont want to harm anyone with this Post, but I did it to show my stance concerning to balance = +fun

[lordbraprus]

i .. well i will tell what i think ok?

i have to admint that no matter what ruleset, i had funny games, maybe not GG but yes funny games, or funny moments during a battle, but if we speak about playing tournament, we are speaking about challenge, not enemisties, but yes challenge , and defeat-enemie dessires.. hmm what i am trying to say, but it cost me a lot is that in tournament i want to have a good game, and to do a good game , you want or not, you need a balanced game system, units/magic prices and sizes.

like bembelimen said, about games with gharby or  olly, i have no problem in play any moment of the day a game, despite of  use what ever rule or moddified prices or just original game and have funny games and  not compite just play and have funn, but if i will play a tournament and think it has no sense , the tt would hve nothing special or different in playing daily games on hamachi, the name "tournament" would be just wrong, i can say i play the tournament and confirm and the day of tt play 1 or 2 battles and leave and say i dont care if the bann me 2 month for leaving tt, anyway i can play the same kind of games on hamachi with an online user.

i won the last tt , and well i was happy yes i had funn but no GGs e.g i had to fight against 270 haldbeiders but oh yes i had a funny moment when my cannon it one regiment of haldbeiders and the retreat from battle, and then 4 more haldbeiders regiments masacred the cannon, that is not GG, in TT i wanna play fair games, balanced prices sizes of unit and magic nad 2 or 3 restrinctions, not like my brothers ones but well things like BGK or elven archer or mortar units... and magic.
orcs will never be ok with original system and there a several erros with zombies, wraith, ogres etc.. that we know there are.

so , i hope you understand what i said. in commom matches ok no problem to play anything but TT i want to play really GG , and win or not, i know that i will have funn in that way..

[lordbraprus]

oh now i remeber thing like "i had 9 pistoliers and he 20 orcs inf, but like we both knows who was winning we made CC" yeah but talking about TT you wont just give him the victory, there is where the really meaning of play a tt appears, what we really want when we talk about rules ruleset and mod is to make one for the multiplayer TT, and what bembelimen exampleded was for normal matches, friendship matches, whatever you call them, am i right? 

[alavet]

totally agreed with lordbraprus and in fact i little amazed with lenght of his post.

what is work with friend matches aint work with tourneys. and sadly, i rarely play friendly ones

gj lord!

[Jeronimo]

I realized the thread was going to the "friendly match" side (Mika, Bembe)
The things I posted were more concerning Tournament Days.

1) My point of view starts from the Pre-Armybuild. That is the first thing that calls my attention (friendly or TT).
Can I trust in this System, or it is very obvious this Regiment is underpriced/overpriced? and ruin the 45 Reg equality, which means that my opponent might be considering to spam them.

2) IN battle, you can have "funny records" no matters the Rulesets. Thats is NOT new info (this come from virtual dice, of course, that LUCK itself can give us good or bad moments... because we talk of DO back engine, not human rules).

3) I do believe that what works in friendly matches can work on Tournaments. No need to divide gameplay because is not "official TT". Just talk to your friend, ask him which TT Ruleset to pick or "without rules".
Its something of general consensus. Example: Lets play with 5k/15..., lets play 7k NB..., lets play "Restrict"...

"They both will decide which or what to play. No Rules or Mix of Rulesets is allowed."

[bembelimen]

talking about TT you wont just give him the victory

sure I did.

what bembelimen exampleded was for normal matches, friendship matches, whatever you call them, am i right? 

I realized the thread was going to the "friendly match" side (Mika, Bembe)

Nope, both examples were tournament matches, but I think, I should stop here, the priority of each player in tournament it too different...

[lordbraprus]

well, i expresed what i think thats all.. i play everything but in diferrent way depending if it is a normal match or a TT. bembelimen way of play is peculiar, individual .. mine is general as me, my brother or alavet does, and more players from  here. 

i understand bembelimen point but for him, signing in a TT is the same as play a normal match and the thing is no like that.there should no be 1st 2nd or 3th places in that way...

what i have thinked now is that the bembelimen way of play can work for a players meeting :O somehting like the TT that all players go to chat some day of the month and play battles to have fun friendly matches. that is good idea i believe :S 1 day for TT and one day for funny friendly nice games.