Warhammer Dark Omen Forum

Date: Saturday 10th of July 2010 (5pm GMT+0)
Register Deadline: 6th of July 2010
Confirmation Deadline: 8th of July 2010

Ruleset: New Balance 9k
All players must install the Map Patch and the files for NB9k
All players must make 1 army of each of the 3 races and 1 may be replace during the tournament[/u]

Players
Flak            Confirmed & Voted
DJlebomb
Alavet        Confirmed & Voted
Lordbrapus  Confirmed & Voted
Nitrox
Wkurwiony Confirmed & Voted
Jeronimo       Confirmed & Voted
Rigz
CidHalsey    Confirmed & Voted
Olly            Confirmed & Voted
Darkmancer  Confirmed & Voted
sparksgordon Confirmed

Suggested Rulesets:DO7 5k-15


Votes:
New 9k Votes: 5 Wkurwony, Flak, Olly, Cid, Darkmancer
DO 7k  Votes: 3 Jeronimo, Alavet, Lordbrapus


MAPS
Great Forrest at Night
Loren Forrest the Shine
Loren Forrest the Clearing
Return to Axebite Pass
Border Countries
Grissburg Town
The Empire
The Black Pyramid Sideways
Vingtienne
Tutorial
Road to Bogenhafen
Bogenhafen extreme

                                                Group 1                      Group 2                      
                                           Alavet         2 3rd        Wkurwiony  3  2nd                
                                           Lordbrapus   4 1st        Darkmancer 4  1st            
                                           Jeronimo      4 2nd       Olly            3  3rd
                                                                           Flak           2  4th            

Battles

Alavet vs Lord 1-2
Lord vs Jero 2-1
Jero vs Alavet 2-1


Wkur vs Dark 1-1
Olly vs Flak 1-1
Flak vs Dark 0-2
Olly vs Wkur 1-1 (2)
Dark vs Olly 1-1
Wkur vs Flak 1-1



Stage 1 Rules: Group 1 must play 3 times vs their 2 group opponents, Group 3 must play 2, using all races twice
In case of equal points the individual wins will count.



                                                       Semi Final 1                      Semi Final 2
                                            Lordbrapus vs Wkurwiony 1-2    Darkmancer vs Jeronimo 2-1
                                                              

Stage 3 Rules: Players play best of 3 using each race once. The 2nd place player cant face his group winner and will be drawn to face one of the 2 other group winners.

                                                       Final                                  Bronze Game
                                          Wkurwiony vs Jeronimo                 Lordbrapus  v Darkmancer



Results


Congratulation Winner Wkurwiony

July 2010.MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3VxYReyTg#normal)

sign me in and i vote for NB 9k

nb9ksign me in

Me too!

lol when i posted i was just about to add you 3 before asking

so what is NB9k?

Naughty Boars 9k.. this is game wk invented. You get all regiments as boars and fight vs same army. when they get heads up they start getting se... OH WAIT

btw pls refrain my voci yet. I've been adviced there will be super huge new mod by Itlerion and he was like waiting for it for ages.. so perhars we could try his mod better.. need to considier it first, he will publish soon as promised

hi there i sign in and vote my mod CD7 , here is the link to the mod ,.. http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/ruleset-dark-omen-7th-do7-t767.0.html;msg7968#new (http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/ruleset-dark-omen-7th-do7-t767.0.html;msg7968#new)

FLAK@ listen , to ruleset tovote, add mine okay? thanks

vote 5k-15

and its done Lordbraperus ;)

flak why you always confuse me with jeronimo,?? it was me, not jeronimo who told you to add the ruleset, and my vote goes to my mod, jeronimo havent voted yet :S

im sorry my mistake

i will try not to repeat it

in my defense you guys use the same Hamachi ;)

Bumping to get back on the front page.

Oh! yes. This page. I sign up! *waves flag*

And I'd suggest an amazing an innovative balenced ruleset... But I don't have one yet.

If anyone wants to jump on board though, I'm seeing what characterful things I can come up with. My goal is to impliment hero's back into the DO system. So look out for something all finished and shiny from me next month or so...

lets give Ramiro a try..

DO7, 7k once..

Hehehe :) 2 days before tourny i will end school (gymnasium) finally ;D

Sing me in, dont mater for me bout ruleset.

alavet, i love you i want to have a family with you, and live happy for ever ever,ever ever ver er r ..r.....
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9581/asdasdasdqn.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/asdasdasdqn.jpg/)
you are so kind with me i , i ...am sorry if i hurt you in the past. lets build the present and a family for the future ok¿

Apparently I forgot to mention the the absense of my own ruleset my own vote, assuming I get one, currently rests with DO7.

Hi, would be back! now i success my exams and i can play that tournament...
I vote for DO7, that mod is wonderful. 9k gold.
sign me

Thanks!

great hope to see new face in the tourney happyman

btw Flak change my vote for 5k/15

this will be interesting, i hope i can finish my  fight with wkuwiorny in the battlefield

?

I was going to play him darn it! *shakes fist* Then he logged out on me...
Next time...

do i hear a new fixture format is requested? ;D

Wkurwiony vs Everyone ;)

A question: How much long the tournament? Min. and Max.

Because the 26th i have a class dinner....(10pm GMT+1)

Thanks

10 o'clock at GMT+1 is unlikely, some has been as long as midnight

haahaahahhahahahahhaha well, you know the translation of wku nick? i think he is a khorne berserker , he is crazy you know? we all have to join forces and destry him and eat his parts!!!

Sign me up.

I vote for NB plz.

I would like to join as well, I am also new to all of this but I do enjoy Dark Omen.  If anyone want to play a friendly game Im up for it :)

you got gameranger account ? or do you sit in hamachi channel ?

you will need both DaOrc and the map patch and later on maybe an update to be able to play, but i will put you up

I change my vote to DO7,  but 9k gold

I think I can play this tournament, i will go later to my dinner class, "the first is Dark Omen, other are dispensable".

Well i noob but i have a good GM (Gay Master): itlerion!.

lollllll everyone knows me like a gay now, is that good?

i have added da orc to hotmail. and sended him a pm explaining how does tournaments work and htat he needs hamachi,

as long as you remember to have armies yourself this time for a change ill be happy  ;)

so we have this tourney today ? 100% ? just asking ;p

P.S. first post on new forum ? ^^

This could be a bit critical ;). Transfer took longer then expected I'm surprised that it finished on a Saturday morning.

Due the long delay with server move, the tournament was cancelled lastnight, i passed the word around by hamachi, if you werent told then you are now, its cancelled ;)


See you all again next month

all right good to know ;] cu next month than ( maybe ;) )

:( bad.

I prefer the next tournament be in Sunday.

Because i work fridays and saturdays.... I´m taxy driver....

thanks!

hey.. i want ask to play the tournament next week, next sunday, what is the reason to play a dark omen tournament in 30 days?¿ when we can play it next saturday, players can sign in to the TT and confirm at the same time during this week.. i want to play..

im glad you wanna play so much mate

Im leaving for holiday tomorrow sunday, next week i am not back yet, but in 2 weeks i can host again so that would be the 10th

If that suits then cool

please flak, I beg you do the tournament the 11th, 9th and 10 th i work. do you have any problem the 11th?

:(

we always use and will stick with Saturdays as we usually play rather late, esp for our Russian and other eastern members, personally i work early Mondays and Saturdays, only day i dont is Sunday, i am sorry

oh yea in 2 weeks suits fine for me..

happyman :S we can organize a little tourny if you want with jeronimo me you and 3 more ppl like alavet or wkuwiorny :S if they want..

perfect, thanks friend!

so i guess due of troubles with server we're moving tourney o nnext saturday?

SIGN UP FOR 10th OF JULY TOURNAMENT NOW

All sign ups must be made again

I am away on holiday until the 4th of july, so if Olly or Ghabry or any mod could edit the sign ins it be great but if not then dont worry, i will do it all on the 4th. Voting will be done along with confirmation.
Cya guys on the 4th ;)

I'm in.

Still have to test the rulesets, so i vote for 5000/15.


Rama, maybe i could join the little tourny. What about creating a "Sunday, bloody sunday" topic so we can organize the thing there without disturbing this topic?

i sign up but if i couldnt confirm in time will possibly mean i wouldnt participate..

i sign in and super confirm my ruleset DO7 ..

Hmm. 'Still have too much work. I may play the one in August :P

Pff... Dont like you anymore cause i dont see my nick here -.- :)




And for tourny 10th of July - sign me in.

hahahha man, is that i didnt know if you still alive or around here this days, but i think some ppl here, can make a mini tournament , maybe i make a topic about it, but at least 6 players should be interested :S

I'm still alive.... :P

and conected as i am now, is this the destiny?

Ya, but stop spam here my Young Padawan.

you can add me too for that 10th june

Mmh.. err... I sign for 10th July.

I vote for DO7   9k   (brother support)

hi, i would like to play the tournament and i vote for DO7 9k mod  ;)

I'm like.. 70% sure I'll be here. Divorce is a bitch.

im baaack  ;)

all are signed up

voting however isnt until confirmation

I'm back from holiday too, so please Sign me up, thnx

:)

Sign me up please.

i confirm... :D

look at you in your fancy new color ;)

remember to vote

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3038/nb9k.jpg)

thats should almost count for 2 votes wkurwiony ;D

I confirm.

DO7 9k

DO7 7k confirm

We have only 5 Confirmed Players and only 4 votes cast
I Will allow confirmation for one extra day until Friday 9th at around 15:00 CET when i finish work

I have sent PM's to all missing players so theres no excuses if not confirmed the names wont be in the magic egg dance on friday night

Confirm - New Balance 9k

:)

thank you Olly  :)

one player more pls. so at least my winning would be more legit! :D

also
i guess votes will split if lordbrapush appears.

hovewer if Jeronimo appear too than we could win voting process.

interesting hmmmm ;]

hey im new :D pleased to meet you! huge fan of Game and im in the tourn sign my up! hopefully im not to late tho :(

Uh. I'm here?

I was getting divorced and travelling 4,000 miles around the world. (Now resides in the UK) So I have a valid excuse but no doctors note.

9k pls?

I confirm. 

Ivote for... NB 9k

you are in sparksgordon if you like to vote theres still time

remember to read what updates/changes are needed to play the specific tournament

goes for everyone btw right Ramiro ;)

hey Flak you gonna make that egg shuffle today ?

ok totally piss off for several reason but the related to this topic is that i'm out because:

-i have a meeting tomorrow and it seems that i will not be in time enough to play like i tough;
- the Hamachi throw me an error and i'm still configurating the new one that i downloaded, so i must test the connections before the tourny and i have no time;
- the rulesets topics are totally chaotic, a row of nonsense replys that end in a death halley if you are looking for a file or a post that resume what the ruleset is about. Why have you abandon the Wiki format for this kind of things? i don't know how we can expect to added new players for the tournaments in this way;
- Why we have to waste a tourny with new still unfinished rulesets? Why don't we make a date to meet and play this projects, like a Playtest Battlefield day? there is a topic related to this made by a member around there, i will search for it.

- damn its too bad you cant play tommorow :( if you have time now we can play ;]
- maybe your using gameranger ? as some of us is using it now more than hamachi
- topics about rulesets are chaotic as on this forum you cant edit your posts so you cant make changes to first post, also we werent allowed to put moddified files that included engrel.exe file due to copyright reasons. now server is in Sweden so i guess we can
- as a creator of New Balance i can say its finnished it was doing good last tourney (January) but than it lack one rule that would keep people from some spams, now that it have it in my opinion is a well balanced mod

and here is a link to New Balance i think we can post those now :
http://rapidshare.com/files/406004076/New_Balance_v2.4.rar (http://rapidshare.com/files/406004076/New_Balance_v2.4.rar)

DJ is right we need a link posted for both rulesets

I belive Lordbrapus and Wkurwiony are the creators so plz post a good link that provides rules and what else is needed

We are not wasting a tournament on a new untested ruleset, we often use new rulesets in the tournaments, this is not new

ah quicker than your thoughts Flak :)

ah but dont you have a topic that also explains it rather than just a DL  ;)

well i can make a new topic or extend "new balance revamped" thread choose hehe

wish i have the power to modify my posts would keep it everything clean than :)

I dont have that kinda power. Make a new clean topic with game info, rules and DLs and i will make it locked and Sticky in the rules section  :)

My camera batteries needs to charge but i will do the Eggs and have them up but not right now im sorry to say

Sorry i can't play :( going for a campfire tommorow... Good luck guys in tourny!

sorry i have absalutly no idea what you sare talking about im a noob! lol

mabyes ill play next tourney but until then can someone tell me a link to all the things i need (updates and crap)?

Cheers guys you rock

Sparks

sorry i have readed some replies and even me dont understand what they mean , like alavet saying  explain me that please..

and Flak when he said


i just did not understand, so please explain me :)... my ruleset is clear in the 3 white squares i posted with units sizes and prices, with the modification i posted in the fowards replies of that squares...

i have read this a minute ago

i wanna make clear that i played LOTS of games, with jeronimo, cid halsley and happyman testing the mod and making the balance good, so it is not untested at all.


AND HERE IS THE LINK TO A NEW CLEAN TOPIC of my ruleset for those who are Lost.

http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/dark-omen-7th-editon-do7-t794.0.html;msg8300#new (http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/dark-omen-7th-editon-do7-t794.0.html;msg8300#new)

Ok, thanks for the "clean" topics for the rulesets, now i can start working on the armys for the next one, and test them a bit, if the f*{¨"* Hama starts.
Still...


...so, why don't you use the Wiki tool that allows you to reedit and modify without having to make a new topic only to clarify the changes?


i know, i expres myself wrong; i mean the new rulesets, i know that they are tested, but the 5k was also tested, Factions also have lots of tests, the first one of the "brothers" also was tested when was introduced, but then when they where presented to the community, members started to put their opinions, and a lot of changes where made before the rulesets reached a "popular balance". So yes, this is not new, and since then i wonder why we waste the competition of a tournament testing rulesets, instead of making this another specific day while we play the tournys with rulesets already full tested by the community and not only for the 2 or 3 testers that helped the developer. But well, i will start this discussion in a new topic.

Have fun and good battles, and i hope to be on the next one.

Dj .. last tourny we all used gameranger except 1 or 2 i think :o you should get gameranger, and then add as friendds the players :)

here are the player ID and nick name in gameranger so you go to search users tools and put them:

http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/gameranger-a-new-place-to-play-dark-omen-online-t157.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/multiplayer/gameranger-a-new-place-to-play-dark-omen-online-t157.0.html)

Account ID      NickName

744005           Alavet
329672           Bembelimen
785585           CidHalsey
729378           Darkmancer
333685           Flak
329448           Gabriel
717916           Haliax
417980           Itlerion
709596           Jeronimo
448827           Nitrox
329441           Olly
744060           Olor
792091           Tomb
605935           Wkurwiony

oh btw very important thing at least for me ;] how many armies flak ? 1 per race ?

Oh I vote DO7, if no-one knew that already.

Plus... I might not be able to make it online for another 8 hours. Is this a problem? I belive it means I'll be running an hour or so late...

EGG DANCE

July 2010.MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3VxYReyTg#normal)

Well.. I sit in here and see there are 4 votes to NB, and 4 votes to Do7... and 9th new player who hasnt voted (ok because he doesnt know much of mods).

What armies do we do so? do we wait to all players asist and then we see?

By the way, I will record my battles. Who else will?



PD: Cid did vote Do7, not NB, updating..

Please Join our chat channel using Java Chat

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or mIRC -> Download mIRC and then join

ranger.de.eu.phat-net.de

and after connecting join Channel  #dark-omen

and have GameRanger or Hamachi Channel Dark-Omen-Tournament (password = darkomen) channel to play

http://forum.dark-omen.org/help-section/ultimate-multiplayer-connection-fixes-t110.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/help-section/ultimate-multiplayer-connection-fixes-t110.0.html)

:)

Congratulations to Wkurwiony 1st Place, Jeronimo 2nd place and Itlerion/Lordbrapus  3rd Place!

http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-june-2010-version-20-t765.0.html;msg7951#msg7951 (http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-june-2010-version-20-t765.0.html;msg7951#msg7951)

Many thnx to Flak for organising and Wkurwiony for New Balance 9k.

I played some really good and close Battles.

Darkmancer -my last 2 Greatswordsmen chasing away his Bright Mage
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7500/darkmacner1.jpg) (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/darkmacner1.jpg/)

Flak
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7166/flak1.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/flak1.jpg/)

Wkurwiony
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4598/wkurnb9k.jpg) (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/wkurnb9k.jpg/)

:)

iam orange.. again :P

It has been a funny day :)

I ll upload 12 videos! Wkur told me he also has recorded videos.. so for those who want to see Finals matches you will find a very surprise. The story could have been another. Wkur knows :)

Oh damn ending last battle!

wk we need to know your bashing armies!

My first video... testing, low sound...

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Alavet (Groups) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_hdhzuv4D0#normal)

hey guys if you will be posting in armybuilt thread here are missing banners, you will have to change it manually graphic file and name of unit ;]

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4955/bonegiant.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4955/bonegiant.png)
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4955/bonegiant.png)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3690/daimmortalz.png (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3690/daimmortalz.png)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3690/daimmortalz.png)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5526/spiderriders.png (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5526/spiderriders.png)
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5526/spiderriders.png)

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/539/lichepriest.png (http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/539/lichepriest.png)
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/539/lichepriest.png)

P.S. yes alavet ive uploaded my "bashing armies" ;)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Alavet (Groups) 2º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Cb-hLaGtY#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Alavet (Groups) 3º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopq6OkCydU#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Itlerion (Groups) 1º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfHe-4249A#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Itlerion (Groups) 2º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lql0AAKziE#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Itlerion (Groups) 3º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTIewrN0_fQ#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Darkmancer (Semifinals) 1º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8FyU_2aC24#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Darkmancer (Semifinals) 2º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlLlCZ2zZ4I#normal)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Darkmancer (Semifinals) 3º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBpDqW2bqW8#normal)


Very weird my duel vs my bro, both using horn of urgok, pure luck and unpredictable.
Only 3 videos left.. Finals videos vs Wkur.

Note: You can listen when I type in the keyboard... game sound is low (dont know why).

DO Tournament june 2010 vs darkmancer (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAE1XLKbiQc#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs darkmancer II (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oanf7ao7qoo#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs flak (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGX_pW0MsMU#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs flak II (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1HJzgOu1YM#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs olly (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-1zJAVF2c#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs olly (tie break) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ja9YamClg#normal)

had some issues with uploading to youtube, canceled couple of vids just before 100% so from me only group phase for now

btw Jeronimo whats up with those wierd banners ? oh and i must say i hate when they scream "chargeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" hehe

There are 2 banners from DO7 (KOTR and BGK replaced).

And if you see the battle "Jeronimo vs Itlerion" UD vs UD, you will of course end hating fake charges. :)
My bro knows how I play so he does similar in order to not stay back (there is an explanation behind this).

I forgot the fact my voice was recorded during battles. Oops :) (anyway I almost said nothing).

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Wkurwiony (Finals) 1º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7HTTnnE1ko#normal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVSgLkk-XUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVSgLkk-XUw)

Dark Omen Tournament June 2010 - Jeronimo vs Wkurwiony (Finals) 3º (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8bJH079A8A#normal)

- I finally made my homework! Any admin move videos to correct section please.

@Wkur: I'm eager to see your battles vs my brother.. to enjoy you know ;)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs olly II (group) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPG43qAT1s#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs itlerion (semi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rr_W9Z-jHo#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs itlerion II (semi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efknej99Vrs#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs itlerion III (semi) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oam5KxcHTjs#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs jeronimo (final) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcM8kkyGong#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs jeronimo II (final) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxAjojppEc8#normal)

DO Tournament june 2010 vs jeronimo III (final) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qntd4wB4Um0#normal)

ok finally all vids uploaded enjoy the chaos ;)

good to know we have x2 2 place tournaments, and one of them its me again!
Haha, for wining i dont even need to actually win!

(ill upload some my videos vs jero & Itlerion soon) some of them was quite fun). if some1 could link me comrpessor for original Fraps videos i ill be happy.

just type avidemux 2.5.3 in google and check ghabry thread on settigns for youtube ;]

Its a surprise that Alavet did record some battles!

Dont know the other guys thoughts, but I see a different Alavet nowadays...

Mmh... he has changed for some reasons :)

Besides the horn, anyone see any overachieving/underachieving units?

Best ones I saw were iter trolls, proceeding to wipe out 1 ghoul, 1 BGK, 1 catapult and 1 skeleton archers for the lost of a single troll 0.o

Worst afformentioned skel archers who fired 3/4 volleys of arrows into those trolls an proceeded to do sweet f/a.  Close second skele catapults who mangged to do nothing much of use as per :/

Balance wise:
The horn proves impossible to balance as usual, the results of taking it into battle makes any stratagy a farce, if you insist on allowing it can you please reduce anti-magic items as a counter plz.

Mages seem over expensive, Its hard to get 2k worth out of them.  BTW you can have them only have the 3 spells you set for them without the automatic random spells.

Black Orcs are a must have unit, Orcs could do with another fear immune/unbreakable unit for choice.

yeah horn is a little tricky ;] it would be best if it only recovered friendly units but dont think it can be changed, other thing to balance him would be giving him particle effect just like BoD, as the most annoying thing about it imo is not its effect but fact that i dont know which unit is carrying it..

ill also say that in 9k format i think that we shouldnt play small maps (the empire), they just dont give you field to operate all those units and it ends up with quick clash and dice roll between melee units

as for other units i found wraiths underperforming for their price, 6/6 for 900+gc and elite, im thinking about some drastic reduction in costs to something like 600 but still elite

as for maybe treeman and bone giant, and yes definitly all mages by something like 200-300 and reduction in anti magic items

and guys, how does that elite system worked for you ? you enjoyd it ? not ?
also for other gold coin system im thinking 3k 1 elite in total, 1 elite max / 5k 2 elite in total, 1 elite max / 7k 3 elite in total, 2 elite max / 9k 4 elite in total, 2 elite max

I'd prefer a few more units for them to make them less skitty.

Wights - Possible make a large unit of them but make them unable to hold any items.  Or have allow people to buy a small unit of them really cheaply.  At the moment all you can do is buy a BOD for them for a long lasting rubbish unit.

Elite system seemed fine.

Thumbs up!


Concerning to "balance issues": I felt dissapointed with dwarves performance in general...
21 dwarves do less in battlefield than a pack of 10 zombies... IT just that MOV 3 is sooo annyoing.. you see videos (my dwarves HU,,) my brother also said "Look Jero, they walk as if they had MOV 2"   >>>   really pitiful.

Spider riders: I hate they have so much movement.. It made my trolls look that "Dwarves Monsters" (slowness)
Didnt we have dozens of topics before due to Vampire MOV 6 speed, "he is too imba, bla bla bla"
Something similar happens with Spiders.. they simply charge with terror from very far and rout you a regiment (Skeleton horsemen style, but even worse, terror instead of fear).

Dwarves cost to aprox 400 (420?), Spiders MOV to 7 (keep unimpeded by diff terrain).

Items:
1)Horn of Urgok cost to 2000, its very useless vs UD. Too damn expensive at 3950.
2)Swords cheaper, overall -150gc (distinct better between swords.. they dont performance similar)
3)Ptolos to 300gc, archers wont attack reg with ptolos, and even if they do.. Ptolos will fail :P
4)Banners cheaper maybe -100gc , except defiance.
5)Ench Shield at 125, Dragonhelm at 125, PoS at 175, HoW at 225,  (accomodate with your numbers, but understand the relationships between those Items.. how imo should be positioned in performance scale).
5)The commentary about Horn of Urgok is joke, its ok.

agree with Jeronimo suggestions. Also perhars decrease BS for mortairs or increasde them in cost:D

How to 175
dragonhelm to 75

for biger maps: then ban mortairs and perhars elven archers. these units could be hugely disbalanced on some maps, (most of big maps, and on soem of them its awesomly disbalabnced. example hand of nagash map or trolls land, + many others i dont rememb right now)

Hou definately need some visual effect + some increase in cost for good 300-400gc..

no idea how to help poor wraights, they simply suck (in one of out test we performed 8 standard infantry vs 8 wraights, and if wraights didnt charged first they lost all the time).

i prefer increasing their WS / STR, make them smaller in numbers, and not die if retreating. then we could keep a cost and be somewhat similar in effectiveness to flagellants (as they almsot same in cost)

wraiths - well yes, for 900 they cost too much, make it 5 units and smaller in cost maybe.

If there are 3 Trolls/Ogres, 7 Mummies, 9 BGK, 14 Wights
Wraiths should be 5/5 in my opinion (best aprox inserted between 3 & 7). Odd Number Scale.

My suggestion for 5/5 Wraiths = 690gc >> Exactly like 14/14 glade polearm elfs. Anyone disagree? I dont :)

as of now i got them at 7/7 and 630
wraiths at 18/18 but im thinkig more of a 21/21 with no item slots
all lvl 2 units reduced from 1.5 of base price to 1.3
skeleton archers to 21/21 and 450->480
bone giant to 855

and about mages you guys thing they should be above 1k or below ?

with current spells they have 1,3k is a minimum they deserve. soemtiems they deserve more imo.

other view on the final battle :]

http://youtubedoubler.com/MpwP (http://youtubedoubler.com/MpwP)

Great double video. I liked it very much :)

I hope to see more of those for next tournament!!