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Time for February Tournament!

Don't forget to update your map patch version!

Date: 27th February 2010 (5pm GMT+0) (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=2&year=2010&hour=17&min=00&sec=0&p1=136)
Register Deadline: 23th February 2010
Confirmation Deadline: 25th February 2010

Ruleset: Fair Omen 3k

Players (11/16)

• Ghabry confirmed 3
• Jim
• Deadman
• Nitrox confirmed
• Flak confirmed
• warhammerfreak confirmed 1
• Darkmancer (confirmed) 2
• lordbraprus confirmed
• ContraSnake
• happyman
• wkurwiony confirmed
• Olly confirmed
• Jeronimo confirmed
• Satyrgo confirmed
• gemmell76 confirmed
• Mr. Shadow

Votings:

New Balance 7k is not available this month
Possible Rulesets: 3k/10 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/3000/10), 5k/15 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/5000/15), 9k/30 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/9000/30), DOST5 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/DOST_V5), Factions (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/Factions), Fair Omen (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-after-1aordm-tournament-t569.0.html) (2nd topic (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-2010-t666.0.html)), CDO (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/i-present-my-multiplayer-mod-cdo-t656.0.html)

Anonymous votes (after signing up) are possible: Send me a mail, PM, write it in the chat or send me a message in Hamachi.
After the confirmation only the votes of the confirmed players count!

Ruleset:

• 6 - Fair Omen (Jim, lordbraprus, happyman, olly, Jeronimo, Satyrgo)
• 5 - 5k/15 (Deadman, warhammerfreak, Darkmancer, Mr. Shadow, Flak)
• 2 - DOST5 (Ghabry, Nitrox)

Army Size:

• 6 - 3k (Ghabry, Nitrox, warhammerfreak, Darkmancer, Flak, wkurwiony)
• 5 - 7k (gemmel76, lordbraprus, Satyrgo, Jeronimo, olly)
• 0 - 5k
• 0 - 9k

Map Pool
The Empire
Great Forest at Night
Drakenhof Castle
Return to Axebite pass
Vingtienne
The Road to Moussillon
Town of the Dead - Moussillon
The Black Pyramid (Sideways)

Please read about DRAW, BUG, BLIND and WALK in the Doc-File!!!

Fixture

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Qualification

4 Player Groups: 2 Fights per Enemy
3 Player Groups: 3 Fights per Enemy


The best two of each group enter the semi final!

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Semi Final (Elimination)

Games: Best of Three, Winner enters Final

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Final

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Results


Congratulation lordbraprus

Flaks Magic Egg Dance
DO Feb.MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscfW-rxeCY#normal)

Videos by Ghabry

Qualification against wkurwiony:
Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Qualification vs. wkurwiony (1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2UVAvkC7Xw#normal)

Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Qualification vs. wkurwiony (2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wU1qM8ZxVo#normal)

Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Qualification vs. wkurwiony (3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lHm6W8fX7I#normal)

Semi Final against warhammerfreak:
Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Semi Final vs. warhammerfreak (1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55i0-AMriY#normal)

Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Semi Final vs. warhammerfreak (2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N1P77Tn48A#normal)

Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Semi Final vs. warhammerfreak (3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdfZbJFRvlM#normal)

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No confirmation yet! :)

I vote for Fair Omen.

Sign me in!
My blade is yours!
Without confirmation yet!

I vote for 5K\15

Can a player change his vote concerning the ruleset?
I won't change mine, 100%
But I think some may)

You don't have to write "No confirmation yet". kthx

Yes, the vote can be changed once.

I vote Dost5 ;)

Sign me in i vote for DOST5

count me in

i donnu what im voting yet tho

5k/15 for me.

Actually, my nick spell as "Deadman"  8)

And I wanna ask when will be the deadline for ruleset choice?

Sign me up.

how are the DOST5 rules actually played?

and can you remove my ruleset please.

Yeah, is there any more sophisticated documentation on DOST5?
No thread in «Rulesets» sub-forum.

And guys, could you tell me please, why you vote for dost5?
What's so special about it?
May be I don't get the clue, but this ruleset seems to me boring and the one which doesn't give you enough freedom to create your unique army. Too many boundaries.
Why I love FO — it doesn't have any boundaries except money, and some little battle rules.

Nickname is fixed, sorry. Deadline for ruleset votings is the 23th February 2010 (Register deadline). But because I count only the confirmed votings the final result will be available on 25th February.



Well it looks like they have splitted the Empire in three different groups (but adding units from other groups is possible, but limited). So this is something like in the FACTIONS ruleset but less restrictive.
And the number of units is limited / forced (e.g. must have 8) like in the 3k/5k-Point rulesets. But without points ;)

No the only explanation is the one in the wiki (which is copied from ovotech but I couldnt find any larger discussions there either...)

Well this ruleset is retro ;). Already the old guys from ovotech played this in year 2000. So I just want to play it once because of this :D.

I'm currently trying to contact the author. Lets hope his ICQ number still works...

I see the army listing's I meant general rules to do with DOST5.  Do we pick a price band, or is it a series of 4 battles, or is it 3K vs 3K, then winners remains of 3k vs 6k, etc. 

No you always start with a fresh army.

But I would suggest that we use some higher gold values (7k, 9k) to make the battles more interesting.

hi count me on, i choose fair omen mod, for now muahahah :P, i know it is late, but happy birthday gharby :S

@Ghabry: I surfed in Ovotech to find out what kind of community is there.
In Ovotech they have like 200 topics, all about different stuff of DO, but nothing about extended versions.
They play only Original Dark Omen, there is no tool for moding, thats why its considered the "best system" without touching the archives.

Its like the 1001 Arabian Tales.
DOTSV5 is one more System based on Original game trying to make it as good as possible: but anything based on DO will be always lower in balance than our mods (I myself opin that Wkurwiony's Mod is better than DotsV5).

You miss there is a DotsV8 (yes, version 8 ).
You miss they have special odd rules to play with Wizards and others kind: things like Ice mage behaviour  :P
(surfing deeper in every topic you guess there is more than just army limitations).

So, why wasting a Month with a old-fashion Ruleset? :) Seriously. Result is easy to imagine.

In fact, if we present FO / NB / CDO to Ovotech I bet many will never play DotsV8 again.

The newer dosts are strange and much more complicated ;).

@Jeronimo
Ovotech is dead since ~2001 -.-

 ;D R.I.P to Ovotech

id like to compete aswell please, but im not sure about the choices as i have no idea what they are and havent played them b4 except 7k balance. so please fill me in.

I wish play that tournament

(I play with one friend multiplayer mode and it´s great! but think that I no totally prepair for this tournament but... let´s try it!

Vote for 5k Golg (if I can vote :D)

Happyman, 5k Golg is not a ruleset :)
You either mean 5k/15 or 5k FO.

sign me in

Ok sorry, 5k/15 (15 is the number of regiment, its true? I only play with 10 :S).

no 5k/15 rules are like that http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/5000/15 (http://wiki.dark-omen.org/do/DO/Rules/5000/15)

basicly every regiment/item have point value, so in 5k/15 you must create army for 5k gold and not more than 15 points

Thanks, I understand it the "points" rules. :D

Well, with the new map patch its possible to deploy 15 regiments per Auto-Deploy - is this allowed in the tournaments?

I change my vote for: Fair Omen 5k gold.

Reason: It´s better, that mod resolve problem than Dark Omen (normal) dont resolve yet.

Have luck for the tournament!

Depends on the ruleset. But for now I would say: NO

The same i say: a big NO unless..

I would recommend 15 regiments for a special ruleset. Something like for a big DOST VGabriel.. :)

The sign up phase is coming to an end. JOIN NOW! ^^

I'd like to vote for 5/15 please.

Sign me up and I vote for Fair Omen.

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2694/44719556.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/44719556.jpg/)

you are in.

Morgan on killing spree :D

hey there im up for the battle. new to this so any help would be great

Sign me in Gabriel.

Vote for FO. xk (during confirmation)

i play too. 9000 gc ;D fair omen

sign me up

You're upsigned :)

cheers, cant wait for the rammy!

hi, i confirm, any change i will tell you, but confirm! fair omen 7k or 9k the same for me :O

love you all

You are already signed in Itlerion.
No confirmations are accepted before 25th February

Sign me in!
I vote for 5k/15


Best regards
Mr Shadow.

Time for confirmation!

There is a high chance that the ruleset will be Fair Omen.

Confirmation.
Size: 9k

i confirm ;D

me too , 7 or 9 k :)

hehe 16 players in list. Lets see how many confirm.

After revising past tournaments, i found record of players was three times 12 (3 groups of 4 players).

To beat record we need 13 confirmations.

Ghabry, could you give me please at least one more day for confirmation?
I've reinstalled my OS recently. Don't have DO and hamachi.. Nothing's here.
Need more time to install all that, patch, and play a test game with FO ruleset with anybody.
Don't think that I'll manage all this tomorrow.

I confirm and vote 5/15 thank you plz

Sorry guys made a mistake. The registration closed a day to late. So you only have one day to confirm. If you want you can still confirm tomorrow.


If you confirm please write down which gold value you want if Fair Omen wins (even if you havn't voted for it).

I confirm ... 3k Gold

@Jim
ok you can confirm later.

i confirm 7k

Confirm 3k gold.

I confirm, 3K

confirm 5k

Confirm 3k.

Seems there is a global 3k abstinence.

Yes I want to test the ruleset against the other extreme: Neary no gold.

well i dont wanna waste a month testing that , so i choose 7k , satyrgo choose that too. 7k

yep i choose 7k  now... what is the funny of 3k  :o

@Ghabry: 3k/FO = 5k/15   I will change my gold size to 7k

Reason: I understand you want to try opposite, but perhaps not tomorrow: next month or after that.

My classes at university start on 23th March. This is my "last" Tournament until winter holidays.

Some Empathy: After loads of work I look for some epic battles before I leave, not 5 min skirmishes.

so FO won and now its the vote army size right? i pick 3k in that case

Ghabry i can make the egg dance Saturday (tomorrow) at 13:30 or 14:00

i cant believe this, it is like conspiration or something to vote stupid things, as usually i would love to say a lot of bad words, but i remember that i promess darkmancer that i will growp up.

3hours left for voting and confirmation.

Ok Flak. Group size will be 4 vs. 3 vs. 3.

I can't download the Fair Omen zip.
It tells me "The file is currently not available".And the currently is really long. Already 2 hours.

Confirmed  and Fair Omen 7k

:)

Ok now we need wkurwionys gold vote (3k or 7k)...

But I already know the result

magic and god exists

ok as i voted for 5k, and i have a final vote, AND i really dont want to flip a coin
i will leave that vote to hockey players ^^ as we have winter olympics going and all

if Canada wins let it be 3k,
if Slovakia wins let it be 7k

its now 2 hours before game, so let the best team win and show us how much money we will have during our tourney :]

5 votes each for3k and 7k. why not split the difference and do 5k

OK.
Confirmation is over.

11 Players. It's possible that Jim confirms then we are 12.
Money will be decided by Canada and Slovakia :D. A draw means 5k.

This is the best way to decide a rule-set EVER!  ;D

Canada 3 - 2 Slovakia

;]

ok. 3k is the final decision

DO Feb.MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscfW-rxeCY#normal)

All right, nice group mine :)

ok fixture is ready.

Map Pool (copied from Fair Omen doc) can be found in the first post. Make sure that you know how the 4 Magic Words work!

And prepare your army BEFORE 5pm GMT+0. THX.
If there are any problems installing FO: Contact me in Hamachi or Chat before tournament start.

That was your post 600  :)

Tournament has ended

My observations are:
1) Magic Words limits a lot the gameplay (and Armybuilds).
2) There was much halberdier spam (similar HU Armybuilds).

I ll work on these fails..
If you want to add something, do it now.

Congratulations LordBrapus/Itlerion!

Thanks to all for organising and playing

:)

I don't enjoy being insulted over a list that I made that was compliant to the rules (or at least that's what I think the reason is.) . So I'd like to ask the opinion of the forum on this matter. Included below is a screen-shot of the battle where he insulted me. As everyone can guess flaming doesn't end with a few sentences so it went on a little while after this.
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Ps. I quit that battle and we replayed because I was just an ignorant child that couldn't understand why an adult would reduce himself in name-calling, thanks for the rematch btw ;-) LordBrappus

i am not adult, i dont reduce, i explained bembelimen that i threath in that way with ppl because is normal here of course that not all speak like that, but there are ppl and not few, a considerable portion that speak as i spoke to you, that was a brutal, or not "light" way of say taht you changed your starting positions regiments because you knew what armie i had ( because we had a previous game  that finished in conection lost, so rehost) , while you had all archers and i just 4 regiuments, any way i ws able to defeat you and i say sorry of telling that bad words toyou little child :P, about the little child i say taht befause i imagine that maybe you are like "mama he told me iam idiot" rather than a 18 years boy that know that the kind of "insults" i told you, are in joke way.

ahh i dont liked walk for archers and crossbow only should be for mages and pistoliers. and blind should be oly for mages so i can shot what ever i want with the archers in wich i spented 540 gold ok=??

Brapus/Itlerion is probably the youngest of us all and combined with his fiery passion for Dark Omen, it still doesn't give him the right to be rude and has now been told he is on a final warning about his unacceptable behavior.

None of us would like to see him banned, especially with all the hard work he has done but now understands he must think carefully before he writes stuff.

Harsh but Fair

I second this!!!

I don't think so :)

The ruleset idea to use only gold as the limiting factor in building armies and esp. the new item cost's is a good idea.
Problems with unit spamming which im sure nobody really like not even the ones who use them but if the ruleset opens that option and it makes the strongest army tho boring as it may be then its legit and cannot be frowned upon.
A unit cap seems the only way to avoid this.

The item cost's seem well balanced to me, hard to fully judge tho when only 3000gc is available.
Unit cost's also seemed fine, tho again 3000gc makes it hard to fully judge it.

However the magical words ruins the tactics of the battle, suddenly archers and the expensive mages are of little to no use.
In my opinion all magical words must be removed from the ruleset or they will overshadow a ruleset that seems quite useful.
I can maybe understand a rule to keep hit and runs at a minimum, but to limit the use of so many regiments just ruins the game experience.

This is the first time the issue of trash talking has come up in our tournaments. I understand that this is quite common in multi playing and some people enjoy it or even think that it adds a personal psychological dimension to the competition, but at the same time it is also something many find very annoying and even alienating. Our official stance here is that we play and behave honourably, which means we are courteous in victory and gracious in defeat. Sportsmanship is what the game is all about.

Then again, I know lordbrapus is a nice guy with a good heart, and I see this as nothing more than a learning experience! So this will soon be put behind us in preparation for next time, right lads? :)

there is a man with hearth and history behind the mask.. i was kind of altered yesterday...

Hello guys, sorry that i dont come to a tournament but...And here is my by :


Yesterday, 3/4 of time i was not in home my motherboard in computer has burned up...I just meet many of computer shops to buy a new one, and at last i'm bought it but my Asus M2N4 was totally burned...Now i got a Gigabyte moteherboard, but nvm...I'm just telling why i'm not come yesterday.

After Tournament, I played with Ghabry some battles to test the New Maps of the patch.

We agreed to play 5k/FO battles, and without "Magic Words".

Result: All maps work fine. And... we played a lot Bogenhafen Town Extreme, happened that all battles were kinda exciting, and we didnt get bored (despite being only of 5k).

Yes. Definitely I'll remove MW code. Just keep the "Bug report" (which is useful), something with Draw Games, and some limit to Strong Wizards... nothing more.

PD: Im also tired of my brother's behaviour. Not only what he does in Tourneys, also in real life he is that way...

@WHF: My bro had reason concerning that u shouldnt have changed the deploy positions in the rematch...
Of course, the way he reacted is not valid. He knows next time will be banned for such behaviour.

Text taken from document:  "INSIDE BATTLES

When happens SESSION LOST and there isn’t a clear winner, host must recreate game with same/map/armies/deployment positions. If there is an obvious winner, no need to replay battle."

For next times, everyone must read the ruleset. Is not just few "2parm" tweaks...

Responsability is welcome.

yes, when i have nothing to do and iam boring, and only to you jeronimo only to you :D

No Videos?  :-[

Yes but I will not upload them in the Semester Holidays with 8kb/s.

So how bout me? I'm banned or not?  :o

@Nitrox: Decide yourself if you want to be banned or not. What can you live with?

I'm like to get clear account :<, so no? Motherboard can burn everyday so...

You have chosen the correct Door. Im with your decision.

Ghabry, could you change the name colors ? ;] you seems to forget about that hehe ^^

We need a picture of your burned motherboard with a hand-made drawing of the Dread King as evidence, or you're toast! ;)

Allright guys, FO is ready again: Re-download it from my network.

Few but important changes to "2parm". Magic Words eliminated.

NOTE: STILL ENCODING. Youtube is so-zetta slow today :/

Videos are online (http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-february-2010-t670.0.html;msg6531#msg6531) (better late then never ;))

The Brightness of the videos has been increased. The Dark Maps should look much better now.

Recommended video:
Dark Omen (Feb 2010) Semi Final vs. warhammerfreak (2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N1P77Tn48A#normal)

Nice Battle. Funny at 3:56: like 20 burned guys.

very good battles!! nice job gharby with the vids!! congraturations to all players i had so much fun with you guys..  ;D

Have been looking at the videos - good entertainment! One thing struck me, though: there are many all-archer and spam armies, what we would have considered "cheeze" armies when we started the tournaments. It it the rules used that allowed this?

Regretably yes. When I did the Halberdiers 12/12 at 240gc, I was thinking in 7k,9k battles where they can only reinforce your ranks, but never considered that would be spammed with 3k...

I already resolved that problem :) (new link at my network)