Warhammer Dark Omen Forum

Common Information

Date: 26th September 2009
Time: 5pm gmt+0 DST

Register Deadline: 23th September 2009
Confirm Deadline: 25th September 2009

Ruleset: Fair Omen (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-awaits-you-here-t541.0.html)

Money: 9000gc

Version for Tournament!
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And we meet in the Chat (http://chat.dark-omen.org) of course

Playerlist

• Alavet
• Chineko
• Daendil
• Flak
• Ghabry
• Itlerion
• Jeronimo
• Jim
• Kikk
• Kypper
• Nitrox
• Olly
• Sipax
• Villentretenmeth

MAP LIST

1: The road to Bogenhafen
2: Great Forest at Night
3: Drakenhof Castle
4: Basin of Frozen Blood
5: Vingtienne
6: Loren Forest - Holy Shrine
7: Loren Forest - Clearing
8: The road to Moussillon
9: Town of the Dead - Moussillon
10: Tutorial

Fixture

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Qualification Round - Point Match

2 Matches per enemy (6 in total)
2 different races must be used in the 2 battles against the same enemy.

Note: Except the battles vs. sipax  Jim was played by Villentretenmeth


Alavet 3 (won in battle for 2nd place against Itlerion)
Flak 5
Ghabry 3
Itlerion 3
Jeronimo 2
Nitrox 2
Sipax 4
Villentretenmeth 2

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Semi Final

Games: best of three

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Final - Race Endurance

First Empire, then Greenskin, then Undead
Empire vs. Empire, if one empire defeated -> use greenskin then undead...

Winner army must be saved (rebuying is allowed) and the used again

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Results


Congratulation Alavet

Videos by Ghabry

Qualification
Dark Omen - vs. Flak - Vingtienne - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZLmyUQuOrY#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Interesting parts in this video: Fists of Gork that killed 3 of my regiments and LV4 Defiance Orc Boyz that blocked a black grail + horsemen during the whole battle.

Dark Omen - vs. Flak - Road to Bogenhafen - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hve8au2cZU#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Only one thing: Redirected "Skull"-Spell and cannon shot at the same time

Dark Omen - vs. Nitrox - Basin of Frozen Blood - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCZZmC6Vis#normal-hq-vhq)
Nothing special in this battle

Dark Omen - vs. Nitrox - Road to Bogenhafen - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65OnBc3slM#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Nothing special in this battle

Dark Omen - vs. Jeronimo - Loren Forest (Clearing) - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6FZD-iQKKg#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Double Cannon kill using one spell, killing ice mage by guessing were he will be when the spell is casted...

Dark Omen - vs. Jeronimo - Road to Bogenhafen - Qualification - 2009 September Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzapoywliRA#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Nothing special in this battle

Semi Final

First Fight has 2 Parts (15min length)
Dark Omen - vs. sipax - Basin of Frozen Blood - Semi Final - 2009 September Tournament (Part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jtIA2pYiYs#normal-hq-vhq)

Dark Omen - vs. sipax - Basin of Frozen Blood - Semi Final - 2009 September Tournament (Part 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj0BB2oPUCEs#normal-hq-vhq)
The first fight is a "Bug battle". Regiments were frozen in close combat and killed my grails slowly... Then the Vampire became insane and got revenge!

Dark Omen - vs. sipax - Vingtienne - Semi Final - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2gA7PQnFAo#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Nothing special in this battle

Final - Endurance

Empire vs. Empire
Dark Omen - vs. alavet - Basin of Frozen Blood - Final Endurance EE - 2009 September Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGrhAazOJws#normal-hq-vhq)
This battle ends in a draw!

Dark Omen - vs. alavet - Drakenhof - Final Endurance GG - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXltxAazsNw#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Lots of foots stomping on the ground ;)

Dark Omen - vs. alavet - Road to Bogenhafen - Final Endurance UG - 2009 September Tournament (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuUyekrhjU0#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
Got nearly no money for killing the greenskins :(

Dark Omen - vs. alavet - Vingtienne - Final Endurance UU - 2009 September Tournament (Fair Omen) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hkduL4PUd4#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
No chance thx to lack of money ^^. Congrats alavet.

Count me in.

You got my sword!

Bembelimen, I assume where you wrote August we have to read September?

I like to participate =)

Eh, yes, this was only a test, if someone will notice it ;)

What do I get for passing the test?  ;D

You can join the tournament for free.

If there will be some players in ill join. But not sure in 100%. :-\

I may not be free this week-end... :-[

I added you two. You can still leave the tournament before the dead line ^^.

Count me in! :)

Can i play this tournament? I'm noob...

i will play :D my brother is going to give the ruleset by the 19 or 20 of this month , kisses to you all

Sure, everyone can take part, if you don't forget to confirm your sign up a few days before the tournament starts.

Today I had a chat with Jeronimo and he will moderate the whole tournament. Thanks for that!

i should be able to play ;D

[Jeronimo] I have everything coolly thought. You will have ruleset for 16th of this month.

Dont worry. The name of the Topic will be Jeronimo's Legacy  ;)

Fair Omen "FO" and Goldpoint "$." systems. Modalities (Default Battle, Gold Endurance, Race Endurance and Tournament) and other contributions to community (some tactics, the Code which is optional to employ, hehe)

September Tourney will use Fair Omen.

Goldpoint is just another valuating system, that uses points and NO tables (from my point of view is SIMPLER than Table Points, and of course... creates balance between DO flaw prices)
"$." is my system to use with Dark Omen: slightly balances the game.
For a full balance you must play "FO": Dark Omen recreated  :D

I explain all this for new members like Daendil. I know admins already know my works (except $.)

i hope we will use standard tournaments fixture? (with usual groups A/B semi and finals?) cause as it being advices by bembe using "survivial approach" will be inproductive due massives of time used.

i also expect lots of armies like "wizard3lvl+others".  will it be 5k tourney?

[Jeronimo] Hello Alavet.

Yes, has Alpha and Beta Groups, its different, first stage (groups) are like previous Tournaments. I like more the idea of "Multiple skill battles", means you test urself against many players, (2 battles each one, turning host) is to say you play against many of ur group, not only 2 guys and then (if lucky ur opponent are not very skilled) go to semifinals.

I like the way each one plays against others at least 2 battles, and sum points. (its better when is variated)

About k.... I wanted a 9k Tournament, something 9k/FO. What do u think? (since respects same time groups stage)

Of course,,, lvl3mage+others Alavet, and in 9k,... will be nice, very very nice.

I decided to use "Races Endurance" in Semifinals, Finals, the 4 first positions you know.
Experience Duel between 4 finalists... something different in relation with groups stage...

I hope I cleared up your doubts. Be patient, I will post everything soon. ;)

Same for me :/

I wanna play! :)

Hello, guys!
I'm new here, and very glad to meet you all.
Was happy to found this site as well as discover that there's still a lot of fans of the best game ever :) («...Horned Rat» rocks too)

I would really love to participate in the tournament, but I need to know a lot of things... For example how armies should be built, and approved etc.
Please give me a link or something where I could find out about all this.

Thanks.

Hi Jim. We use a special ruleset this time. Jeronimo will post a complete guide about this ruleset soon you should be able to find most things out by reading it.

Ok.
Well I've just tested everything, by playing several games with my friend. So I think I will participate in the tiournament (if nothing unpredictable happens).
When are the new regulations to come?
The start date is very close.

I prolly can't play.

[Jeronimo]

@WHF: ohh what a pity. See you in next tournaments.

@Community: Fair Omen is ready. Here you have the complete Mod/rulesets.
I also posted it in Multiplayer Rules section.

[Jeronimo] This is to make sure you will install correctly the Mod (although is already written in DOC)

INSTALLATION

First of all, extract files where Dark Omen is installed.
For not losing Original DO values, my ZIP has brings a carpet named “DO_Backup”.

Overwrite carpet "2parm" from GameData with the new "2parm" from my Mod: This carpet has all the Regiments changes.
To patch EngRel, you must use program LIPS (this was needed to compress Engrel archive for being too heavy). My EngRel archive brings the new Items costs.
1) Run Lunar IPS program, press "Apply IPS Patch" (a window opens), click on the Heart Icon called EngRel from my Mod.
2) A new window opens. SELECT FILE TO PATCH, change type from "Most Common ROM Files" to "All Files (*.*)" and click on the EngRel archive of Dark Omen (with this you are changing the Old EngRel for the New). After patching, a message will appear saying that you have made the operation successfully.

Returning to original game is the same procedure (using obviously the Backup archives)

[Jeronimo] Sorry I repost this, but the cause is good. After some battles against Alavet and Nitrox, I could realize that some changes to the Mod were needed (some troops+Items).

@Ghabry I also changed Ruleset of Tournament, making it shorter because of DISCONNECTS.
BKG was at 1500gc. Now is at 1560gc (this way you cant get 2 BGK with 3k or 6 with 9k). I tell you this because you were "afraid" ;D of fighting against 2 BKG at 3k. You're right (would be really disgusting against greenskins)

@Alavet: I took into consideration your Mummies+Banner of Defiance suggestion (now both are a bit more expensive)

Final ruleset is in "Rules & Standards" --- "Fair Omen awaits you here".
Will be 9k/FO, so start editing your army/strategy. :-*

And here is the link (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-awaits-you-here-t541.0.html) to FO.

Could you include me to the list please?

et moi aussi!

and me please!

:)

Last Time to Join today!
Confirmation starts tomorrow.

Confirm!

Conf.

I'm not so enthusiastic about a (last minute created?) new ruleset, so I withdraw for this one.

oh my god.. , here we were talking about it a month ago, if you dont read posts , that is your problem dude , there like 2 or 3 topics about this ruleset.

i confirm

@lordbraprus, where can I get the latest FO patch with the correct cost'n'prices from?
Is it already confirmed as final one?

I attached the version we will use to the first post of this tournament topic.

@lordbraprus:
Do you confirm for Itlerion, Jeronimo or both?

No need to get snide now. I can read that the ruleset is being developed for some time (and a month is still pretty recent), but it got updated not long ago. I prefer to wait until it is fully completed and balance tested.

lol. whats wrong to play even with untested ruleset?

//confirm

One reason of the tournaments is to test the ruleset and then to discuss about improvments after the tournament...

Hurry up guys, 11hours left for confirming!

btw Jeronimo after confirming we will need the fixture.
(Group a player belongs to and all battles he has to fight and for second and third round we need at least things like: Winner Group 1 vs. 2nd Group 2 and so on)

edit: I'm currently trying to create a table

edit2: Jeronimo could you please join chat to solve some final questions?

A tournament I see as an event in which the participants compete with each other with playing skills. With an untested ruleset, there can be room for imbalanced situations where half of the participants know that for example a certain unit is overpowered and the other half does not. Then I find it not a competition for playing skills but a competition for who can discover the most imbalances. Essentially, the tournament then becomes a playtest field. Also, Ghabry wrote:

so that means that the function of the coming tournament is being a playtest field.

That is perfectly fine, I respect the admin's decision. However, I was looking forward to a tournament as described in the first sentence of this post. And since that is not what we are being offered, I will not join.

I confirm

I need to ask as ive looked around the ruleset and topics i cant seem to find out what kind of army size will be used, 3-5-7-9k ? maybe ive missed it but just for me could you say it here  ;) makes it easier to make armies

Ive got a problem with the engrel file as my CD is broken (4th cd ive used up) i use a cd fix and that doesnt work when i use the update for FO, so if possible i have to use the ruleset but cannot get the right item costs.

Confirm.

oh right we play 9k of course have forgotten to tell that...

edit: Confirmation closed. 8 Players at all.

Now we only need Jeronimos fixture.

with the new prices and the 9k this will be a interesting tournament.. i will make dwarfs maibe muahahhah

[Jeronimo] Hello Community. I couldnt arrive on time. All a shitty day. University and then travelling. Sorry I didnt appear this important organization day.
Its 9k. When Bembelimen wrote Ruleset "Fair Omen" he forgot to add gold limit. It would have appeared 9k/FO (how to specify Ruleset was written in my DOC first sentence of Tournamebnt Modality)

@Kikk: I understand your position, the true is that all was made in short time, and it had last moment changes. I recognize this isnt good seen, but I prefer to do it so we can play well, instead of waiting Tournament to end with that part IMBA.
Examples: My last changes were to make BGK 1800gc from 1560 and Staff of Osiris 800gc from 480 (others of small importance too). Tell me if this isnt better.
Few people was willing to play FO for testing before Tourney. Most players were playing Conquest in their free time. I dont have any problem with that... but this is the future that comes.

Thanks to Alavet, Nitrox, my brohter, Sipax commentary, etc (the few helpers to adjust Fair Omen).

Perhaps we will see you next Month Kikk.

@Players: The Ruleset is clear from my view, I tried to be the most clear possible. About TD (Tournament Duel) you cant repeat races/map, unless is a last match to end a Draw in points (this is easy to understand).

I ll be here. Kisses.

Now you confuse me again. Yesterday Itlerion said that you only can't repeat your race selection in the 2 battles of phase one (and phase 2 of course) and the maps too I guess.
I see no use in not being allowed to repeat the same army in the battles...
And what maps are allowed?

Unfortunately I won't be able to attend this Tournament, as Something(Real Life) has come up.

However, best of luck to all and have a great time, I hope to see some cool Aftermath battle Vids.

:)

Lol why I am not in? :P

[Jeronimo] You had to confirm your appearance. Was written. From 24 to 25 Confirmation.

Sorry Villen. Fixture is already done. If one player doesnt show up, you can play in his place.

Sorry we can't allow anymore players.
You had two days to confirm your membership.
Maybe you are lucky and somebody will not show up even if he confirmed (shame on this player :P) then you can still join.

No ***** way! What is this?! Who made that stupid rule?

We have this rule since some months to avoid last minute organization problems (and delayed tournament start) because of not appearing players.

[Jeronimo]. Villen stay around. you have chances to participate.. if 1 of 8 members dont appear.

MAP LIST

1: The road to Bogenhafen
2: Great Forest at Night
3: Drakenhof Castle
4: Basin of Frozen Blood
5: Vingtienne
6: Loren Forest - Holy Shrine
7: Loren Forest - Clearing
8: The road to Moussillon
9: Town of the Dead - Moussillon
10: Tutorial

But i am here, and i want play. But i can't play becouse registraction ends yesterday! What if a wasn't at home last 3 days? As i remember on Lordys forum everybody cares about another players, now nobody.

Jeronimo i don't know who you are, i just want you say, that i am not your "emergency exit".

Lot of texts, no vids. :(

Good luck guys !

after all, beside the delay becasue we used 1 pc for me and my brother, and the always connections problems, it wasnt that bad... :D i won the 4 grials ahahha! yeeiii

After 5 hours the tournament is over (new slowness record)

Congratulation Alavet, 7 times in Tournament, 5 times 1st place, 1 time 2nd... Great!

Hall of Fame and stats are updated.

Jim was replaced by Villen because he left after the first 2 battles.

A new rule will be added: Every player needs an unique Computer

Video stats:
12 Videos
1h 37m 20s
39,0 GB
(I will upload them during the months, soooo many vids)

oh yeah, this tourney was so long.. thanks all for organazing & participating, i had several great battles.

please visit and post your armies there: http://forum.dark-omen.org/armybuilds-b34.0/ (http://forum.dark-omen.org/armybuilds-b34.0/) (FO builds)
i very itnerested in your builds and will try to descrbie some of my best battles there.

Congratulation alavet, looks like we have to give him in the next 9k tournament a 3k army only, so that other player will also have a (small) chance to win ;)

Please give all your feedback to the rules in this topic (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-awaits-you-here-t541.0.html)

[Jeronimo] "To participate you need 3 armies, 1 of each race with the Tournament Gold Limit."

I must say after viewing armybuilds that... my idea wasnt about having MORE than 3 armies. It doesnt make sense.

My borhter told me (because i havent played many Tourneys), that this was already arranged in previous Tournaments.

You SHOULDNT make more armies after the Tournament started (I see Alavet did that). I dont know how others see this behaviour, but from my point of view... is cheating, because whats the point of making armies knowing what the others players have OR if your first Basic Armies are defeated easily (like LordBraprus rape against 4 BGK and "BGK killlers", the 1st empire army)

When a player edits an army, must make it thinking in all possible enemy combinations.

Example: Agaisnt LordBraprus, Alavet first Empire Armybuild had 3 flagellansts, 1 cannon, 1 strong wiz, xbowen, elf archers, halberdiers, etc. Then against Ghabry he had something like 6 flagellants, 1 treeman, 2 cannons, etc.

Anyway, for my next post of Ruleset I will specify better this condition to participate. Although, as my brother tells me now, this was already stablished.

Everything which is not forbidden is allowed ;)

Well alavet hadn't knew my armies until the finals btw ;).
And I see no problems in creating new armies during the tournament if you don't waste too much time (and we had much more time wasters during the qualification :P).
And it wasn't forbidden afaik.

[Jeronimo] Right Bembe. But seems this was already clear (from what my borhter just told me).

Do you play with several armies each Tournament... or even worse... do you edit new armies while Tournament is running, because your first one doesnt work as you expected?

I admit, i forgot to add the word ONLY about 3 armies, but is OK. This was first FO Tournament.
This requires Time and effort, not an easy task to have it "perfect" at once. I will revise all loose parts and guarantee a more specified ruleset for next months.

THANKS COMMUNITY.

@Villen: I apologize for the moments you had to pass through. First as replacement of Nitrox, and then of Jim. Im not a bad person. I understand this was your first time, only remember next time to confirm your appearance 2 days before Tournament. I hope to meet you again. Please, dont think I consider persons as "Emergency Exits" :P
PD: I saw your battle against my brother. You played so well with your elves! I liked how you micromanaged Elf Guards to kill my brother's Wraiths, and your Ice Mage freezing his retreating mummies to destroy them with COLD MAGIC.

@Jim: Did you left because you were angry? or something suddenly happened in your home? Give us an explanation, just remember not to follow your feelings if you exited because were losing. :)
I remember first Tournament I wanted to dissapear after losing a battle I was almost winning. Ptolos failed, my strong wiz died at last moments, the Suicide Rule, etc...

[Jeronimo] Ghabry, the thing is when you play a opponent and they reach Draw. If Host creates a map, chooses an Army and Joins Battlefield, you should then (as Guest) join the battle remembering what army did he pick (if he played with his 3 armies). Otherwise there is no advantage for Guest, and being Host is always GOOD.

but ofcz you only use the 3 pre-made armies or there is no reason to say make 1 army of each race or it should be "use" an army of each race, maybe it wasnt specific in this tournament

but in any tournament that i have organized i have told new players only to use same 3 armies and considered changing armies to be cheating. As stated very clear in the July Tournament. So i hope its not being going on then.
http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-july-t409.0.html (http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments/tournament-july-t409.0.html)
"Every player makes 3 armies one of each race using 9000gc and 30 pts."

I didn't take part this time, so....no ;)

Sure but this wasn't mentioned in the Fair Omen ruleset ;). I would say: Time to update it.

And I never have more them 1 army per race because I'm lazy *g*

[Jeronimo]

@Flak: something like your message for July, i should have written. Not "you need" because refers to "as minimum". But yes "you must make 1 of each race..." it approacehs to the idea.

@Bembelimen: I was referring to all your Past Tournament participations, not this one. My question was general, not specific.

@Alavet: Im not angry with you, and please not angry with me. It was my mistake not specifying well. I still like you. ;)
I prefer to the one to write you this message (about Tournament multi-armies). Otherwise you would have to read my brother replies to what happened, and believe me, he wasnt going to be "gentle".
I just tried to be the less offensive possible.

Depends which tournament, in some it was forbidden, in one or two it was allowed...

well i must say that i never used army, which were created DURING tournament. all my tournament armies were created before it (except my last greenskins 5k army for Endurance match, where i didn' saved my 9k goblins army after winning vs Gharby)
as for rule for 1 army per race, even though it's descrbied well, i'll just give my comments:
1) it wasnt forbidden
2) in our last August tourney we used diffirient rule. quote ofllows:
//Restrictions: You are allowed to create as much armies as you want, but you have to use inexperienced armies each fight and you have to use every race three times! In the preliminary round you have to use every race at least one time.//

you might ask me why i need several armies. the point is, that i might use some funky armybuilds against players with less skills (to get more fun), and choose more standard armies vs solid players.
another reason that i usually don't test enough my armybuilds and if i see in the early of tournament that my army suck (like i discovered about my first empire army) i will swap it to another, stronger build.

p.s. also i think we need to post other ruleets (like, lone mage should go cc) in the tourney lobby as well.

and psot your own armies guys!

Hi guys.
Well I have to apologize. Sorry I left so early and shamefully.
First of all, I didn't know that I could change my armies during tourney. I thought I come in with 3 «approved» armies and that's it. (by the way, I consider this much more fair).
Second, my armies were a total disaster. (I only played 5000/15, and was not able to switch to FO properly).
And I played like shit. Very confused. I bought Horn of Urgok in both armies (I didn't play undead principally), and never blew in it even once. Just forgot about it, cause there were dozens of regiments everywhere :) I was lost.
My format is definetily 5000/15. Quite and comfortable to play tactics.

And I also think that the current way the tournament is organized is a sort of a mess (sorry).
I don't understand why we play 2 games against each other (why not 3?). (of course everybody picks undead first, cause they are tricky and cheaty).
I don't like that we can change armies during the game. It's weird.

May be it's better to bring new ideas in other post or may be not doing it at all, cause you've been playing like this for a long time and got used to it.
But as for me, the best system would be — 3 armies per player. (no changes during the tournament).
A «knock out» system (like in football world championships; no groups at all);
Each pair of players plays an endurance match against each other (all 3 armies involved in such case, and undead in the last place). Loser is knocked out.
The most fair would be if 2 players play 9 games (with each army against each opponent's army).
But this one is toooo long.

The system with knock-out and endurance is long two. But it could be played during a week-end, I'm sure.
I've played today three endurance matches with my friend (5000/15), and didn't spend mush time on it.


2Ghabry Why do you need months to upload videos? :)
60 megabytes video takes 10 minutes to download on youtube. Then it's a business of a couple of days.

Hi Jim,

in my opinion problem with knock out system is that soemtiems u just willn't have any chance to play futher, AND there is not so many players as in footbal. Like in most tourneys we have 8-10-12 players as max and it will be sad if you will play only 1 match and get kicked off. Also afaik at footbal there is diffirient systems, and "groups" pretty much used at world footbal champinship at preliminary stage.

i like 2 battles vs each player in group, thats not too much long, as it should be imo.

as for Endurance system  - i personally dont like it much. Result is pretty much determined by the first match, - if you win, you just selling all artifaacts and try to kill mage/other expensive/easily killable unit. it's not much about tactic/strategy in my opinion, either dont have much sense anyway, cause if skill is aprox. equal. both armies will most possibly almost dead after the battle.
also the fact that u have to play mirror races is not good as well if we're talking about strategy.

alavet has pretty much covered this but i would like to add from an planning perspective, kockout stages are near im possible as it needs an exact number of players, 1 too many or too less and it cant work.
Groups are better and easier to change as needed.
We play 2 times because when we use to play once we often had to make rematches because players had the same score, 2 wins 1 loss and then we had 4 rematches sometimes, taking longer than to play twice to begin with.

I agree that endurance games are not suited for a tournaments.

Thank you for you input Jim nice to see that you have considered everything you saw, you didnt have to leave because of a bad army build, its your first attempt at a tournemant :)

Hi



This ruleset was for testing purpose if it is playable for tournaments, so perhaps we could take 5k/15 in the next tournament. Depends on the feedback/suggestions we will get.



This tournament was a special one, organized from Jeronimo, cause he should had the chance to present his ruleset. Next time we'll have Flak, me or another player who organize the tournament and perhaps an other structure (see other tournaments (http://forum.dark-omen.org/tournaments-b32.0/)). It isn't that easy to moderate a tournament and it was his first time, so I hope you can be lenient toward to him :)



Yep a knock out is an ideal tournament system, but we have always take care, that every player has 3-5 matches before he is out. So we made in the other tournaments always a group system (1:1) the best 2 player reach the finals and make a best of 3 game.



It's very hard to find a weekend where all players can play for two days, that's why we make one day only tournaments.



No comment....cause he is lazy like hell.....

Please give still your feedback about the ruleset in this topic (http://forum.dark-omen.org/rules-and-standards/fair-omen-awaits-you-here-t541.0.html). To improve it, if there is any need for it...

Hey, so what about videos? ;)

(Hey, so what about the CamStudio Tutorial? ;))

When it's done. I encoded around 10 other older videos first because they had losless compression and wasted lots of GB.
I will start encoding the tournament videos tomorrow, found a way to save around half the encoding time (have to update the tutorial).

If you want to see a September Tournament video watch this:
Dark Omen - vs. Flak - Road to Bogenhafen - September Tournament (Fair Omen) Qualification (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIe8kPoE3Qw#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq-hd)
(Will be deleted later)
Was just a test how it looks like when I just add borders until it reaches the HD resolution ;).
Use fullscreen view and a resolution of 1280x720 or it will look strange :D.

And I should think about adding the year because we had a 2008 September tournament too

Tutorial is done :)
Check it out.

[Jeronimo] First FO Tourney... what can I say? I found many things to fix. Great TEST.

FO had 34.500gc total gold. Now will have 36.000gc. I already thought in all new prices. +1500 distributed in Regiments.

Items are OK. If anyone has something to say I listen. But considering everything everything all is ok: my doubt was about Celestial sword at 400gc. Same as Infernal, but considering the Dragonhelm at 80 gold... Mmhh.

Also, not written yet. I discovered all Items can be grouped in 6 SETS

Conjurer: Ashur, Wand, Enchanted Shield. 800gc

Fire: Dragonhelm, Infernal, Grudgebringer. 800gc

Lightning: Celestial, Wrath, Osiris. 2400gc

Warrior: Potion, Heart, Ptolos, Runefang. 1200gc (HU only)

Resistance: Mork's Banner, Arcane, Spelleater. 1200gc (GS only)

Panic: Urgok, Skabskrath, Defiance. 3200gc (UD only)

NOTE: Playing with any of these Sets you gain extra gold at end of Battle  :D (I wish that were true)
I thought this could be great to implement in FACTIONS or CAMPAIGNS. Imagine all the uses you can give to Sets.

[Jeronimo]

Continue this list of changes... I had a problem with Nitrox: Wizard's Bug (vamp this case). I will write about what to do in such a case.

Also, i didnt feel well at winning a battle with Hit & Run. My shamans goblin + Orc boar boyz vs. Flagellants.
I could be running with boar, and that way kill flag slowly. I heard "others persons like" also could win some battles using my rule.
Taking everything into account i will change HIT & WALK to something never seen, never thought!

Another thing. Session Lost. Never wrote about it: options to take.

Endurances didnt like?? Well, everyhitng can be re edited. Thats why my Test Ruleset was played. If Endurances didnt like to players (considering Tournaments at least) I will change that part.
All Tourney will be played using the TD (tourn. duels)---several DB against a same player.

Did I mention a change to Map List? Yes previous posts. 3 maps changed.

SUPER NOTE: I will upload the "after experience" FO Ruleset. but expect it at 12 October (day of race). I will return home, and write everything in that long weekend. Meanwhile I ll be studying here  :D

well, at this current FO ruleset i dont like following:

UD awesomly overpowered. mummies +antimagic will crush everything.
or you can use 4BGK agaisnt 90% of Human or ANY Greenskin army and win.

hovewer Humans also pretty good, but weaker than good UD.
but cant say anything about greenskins. i personally think that even at 9/30 rileset greenskins are nothing but trash. and in YOUR ruleset, wehre you lwoered lot of prices, greenskins performs even worse. they could  do better if thre were possible to stand 10 regiment at once, but now its pffff.

also as i said i feel bad about using it on 7k rmies and above without restictions. every1 wil ltake lvl3 mage no matter what (except some crazy armybuilds).

and allowing mass units, like mass flagellants, is very bad. its very powerfulll combo which might kill thouthands of combinatins, esp. with antimagic on them. so it will get boring soon (unless u want handicap and play with worse army). changing cost not an option, since they're priced good by now.

also making bgk for 2,4 is a big mistake. yes they're  good, but not really that much. he cost 1,9k i agree but 2,4 is a pffff. last time we played with Flak andi killed full regiment of grails with 1 regiment of flagellants and 1 treeman and lost like 3-4 flgellants

what about we will implement max of 3 units rule? or soem of elite/core/unique/ units from Mika ruleset project?
even though it doesnt solves mummies problem mch..

also, why terror for ogres? i dont know echanics of DO much, but isnt it liek the same as a grail skill?  if so its dramatically bad. if not, why not limiting it on just "causing fear"? i dont think ogres really can be that "scary" to alllow them "terror". basically terror rule in tbale game used for really scary and mighty creatures  (mostly UD i guess)

[Jeronimo] Alavet. I read. Now your turn.

As i said. +1500gc will be distributed. mainly for HU. I saw nobody choose Mercenary Infantry or Greatswords... also a different distance between mages will be assigned.

BGK: i know they dont worth that much. 2400gc-3600-4800 its crazy!. Thats why they will be only reg with Special Exp system. Instead of +50%, will be +25%.

Lets compare! BGK
T(tourney) FO: 1800-2700-3600
C(coming) FO: 2400-3000-3600

Sounds like a nice trap.. max 3 BGK in 9k. You will want to have the 3600gc instead of 2 basic of 2400gc.

Lets say.. if 3 is max: How do u see now GS? One having banner of Defiance, not forget BOOST or FISTS spells, yeah, some waaagh magic. and horn of urgok truely needed. Same cost as 1 bgk is cool. Artillery, fanatics, etc.

Now isnt 4 BGK with items. we are talking of perhaps 3.. (with anti-magic?) You need Horn of urgok primary, I think GS always will be able to carry since they are cheap.               -1 BGK is much difference.

lvl3 mage... Hehe , HIT & WALK will take part from a different condition. not more wiz is last unit.. now from earlier also protecting few reg armies.
I think the lvl3 mage is something very common in this game. But from my 2 games against Gabriel, where he did the Hit & Run to assure victory (first with vamp, and then with bright wiz), I rethought in the Rule.

Flag will be +120 expensive. 840gc. level 2. = 840 Mercenary Infantry level 4. I revised numbers and found out not very well priced as you say. Having Flag in army should be equal to having some level 4 infantry (like my suggestion).
Flag+ antimagic: theyre true weakness are arrows/proyectils.

Ogres Terror: YES, they are few units, not 20 like Ghouls. Many units cause fear, few cause terror, thats the truth.
Wraiths, Ogres and unique units cause terror. From Mummies/Wigths (strong guys) on forward, Reg just cause fear.

Aclaration: the Big Big problem with BGK is the Leadership Check. I also thoguht in removing it. But if we keep the 2400-3000-3600, i see no problem. THAT Ability is like constant Demonic Wave from UD sword, everytime they hit.
Ogres is different. Causing Terror is worse than Leadership Check. Consider them as TRIPLE TROLL without shields/speciality.

Mummy+anti magic: You can always edit a Super Regiment, very strong, 1 or 2 Items. I personally consider Mummies not so cool because theyre slowness. and withouht Defiance... heheh i want to see you. Shoots.

I will see Mika Armybuild, however, sounds like you are ALWAYS going to have 3 flagelants Alavet. I think at 840gc you may think if massing them.. Flag counter combinations? Will counter arrows/cannons/mortar?
Lets recognize Flail weapon is very powerful, however they dont have armor, only 9 guys and 1 wound.
I doubt you will make 1 super Flag with 1680gc, u prefer 2 basic of course. You have to choose what to give them with their only slot: perhaps a sword, a magic shield, a banner... what Alav 8)?

REAL EXAMPLE: my 24/24 dwarves killed 9/9 flag once, both Basic. Flag are cool, but cant handle against many numbers.
Perhaps at first, agaisnt GS, they will make other gobl, orcs retreat due to impact of Flails at first, but then they regroup, its Ouch Time, like you wrote in a post.

The Favourite (bad priced) Regiments of Tournament like Ogres, Flag, BGK, etc are more expensive.
Note: Ogres +60. Now at 690 gold, nice number since can be combined with 810 gold. +Armor they cost 720gc.
BGK: +600 (new exp scale +25% considering their high cost)
Flag: +120 (to have some similarity with other Infantry REG, like the question ORcs or Goblins Infatry??) NOw is like Flag, or lvl 4 20/20 3 slots- mercenary soldiers)

I read your commentary Flak (in video). Tell it in my face next time, like Alavet.

And very nice Ghabry showing massacre results.

I wander if you guys understand why I needed a 9k Tournament (and the posted videos).

And now what? Is all over? or is just the Beggining? I will improve the Mod. All were "theoric prices".
Seeing what happened to GS is a proof that still isnt FO.

I'm nearly finished with encoding the youtube version of the qualification. (The normal resolution versions are already finished but as you know I create two versions for better youtube-res)
Only one video is missing. I planned to finish it this night but I'm too tired, sorry. So you will get the qualification videos friday night and the other 6 videos (semi, final) saturday night or in worst case sunday night ;).

Ok Ghabry. Take your time. No hurry.

Hehehe I wander how many "at backs" messages are wrotten in those battles. :)

If gentlemen consider the new Ruleset better than the used in September I would like to moderate again... this time in a smaller Gold Limit. I have 5k in mind.

-First time hurts (said the young lady 8) )

Okay I add the videos now. More and more videos will be added to the Videopost (First page of this topic) during the night :).

Ghabry, thanks a lot, mate :)

All vids are online now...
Feel free to discuss about them. On youtube or here in the topic.

Despite all, I liked some battles videos.

The feets of mork in Drakenhof Map is funny, seems the God himself went out his home for a refreshing walk.

I promised your dreamed armies, well... that was FO.

Although the name refers more to the gold costs/units, the weakest part of this Tournament was obviously my ruleset. Videos showed me many things about it: Hit&Walk became one of the main points to change.

The new ruleset is already available, I promise a mini-tournament in future (with testing motives about new things). But you can play it before with a friend!!

Sincerely yours... Jeronimo.    :) little smile :)

Well, I'm very very impressed by the videos. Some battles are truly masterpieces :)
The most valuable games are those which keep the intrigue till the very end. And there are many of those kind of games.
This also shows that both armies in such a battles are equal enough.
So, I have to say that these videos made me change my opinion concerning the FO format. It really has a great potential.
Well done, Jeronimo, and don't give up ;)
Some improvements and it'll be an amazing alternative.

Only I hate the tricky thing with teleportation done by mages of third level :)
It spoils a lot.

Ghabry, is there going to be more videos, or that's it?

No that are all videos. And 12 is more then I did before for all other tournaments ;). Btw if I'm not able to enter the semi final I only have around 6 vids ^^.

Hm, we need to have more people shot videos somehow.

Hi Jim, I have just read your commentary. Thanks buddy.

I know Strong Wizards somehow ruin the battles. Dark Omen should be more TACTICAL, combininig infantry, cavalry and archers. Im tired of seeing mages like protagonists of battles (even more than artillery).
The possibility of giving them the Arcane Banner makes more difficult the chance to kill them.

From my point of view, nothing is impossible to solve (concerning this stuff).
By the way, did you read the Ruleset I created afterwards? Has a new way of dealing with Strong Wizzies. Is the affected who has the power, instead of controller... of course isnt that "power over him", but the new conditions of Hit & Walk also brings other advantages (like protection of small armies in 3,5k battles...)

I heard Alavet recorded more videos. Perhaps he doesnt want to upload his first battles against my brother :)

@Jim : I never give up when its about correcting failures in my systems ;)