Warhammer Dark Omen Forum

Comrrrrrades,
There is something I don't like in the army building : we can't choose the size of a regiment.
We could mod a little the game files.
For each "regular" regiment (not the mages, catapults etc), we can add two new versions : half (/2 and -1) and extended (x1.5 and + 1).

For example, for a regiment of 20 dudes, at the price of (500 coins and 2 points) :
- Half version : 10 guys (250/1)
- Regular version : 20 guys (500/2)
- Extended version : 30 guys (750/3)

What do you think ? Builds could become more flexible (nobody uses cavalery, since their price is too much for 3k/10 battles ; a few knights could be useful to hunt THESE DAMN MAGOS).

Hehe feel free to edit them (http://en.dark-omen.org/downloads/view-details/1.-modding-tools/2.-army-editors/wh32edit.html) ;)

Or you can look into DOC111 (http://en.dark-omen.org/downloads/view-details/1.-modding-tools/4.-miscellaneous-tools/doc111.html)

Thanks, but I would like your opinion before :P

ive had units edited for multiplayer battles in the past and they made the games very unstable.
The editing was made up to 7-10 years ago and new tools available might improve stability, but serious testing is essential, nothing would be more annoying and time consuming than to have tournament battles crash.

Okay, I did it for the UD.
Sadly I don't have any access to the download plateform on the website, so here comes the megaupload :

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DCJ4ZQDS (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DCJ4ZQDS)

Paste the file into :
[...]\Dark Omen\GameData\2parm\UD_ALLMP.AUD
A copy of the original files is available on the website, don't worry.

Looks like it works... I can see the new units in the book.
I changed :
- number of dudes
- coins value
- maximum ranks
- unit names
My old armies files are not corrupted.

I'm going right now to the chat to find a victim.

Hop, and in the attachment.

Vampire 3
Ghouls    h0/1/e2
Mummies h5/6/e7
Necromancer 2
Screaming Skull Catapult 3
Skeleton Archers h1/2/e3
Skeleton Horsemen h3/4/e5
Skeleton Warriors h1/2/e3
Black Grail h9/10/e11 (lol)
Wights h2/3/e4
Wraiths h7/8/e9
Zombies h0/1/e2

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7212/lotoffolksmk4.jpg)

First test with Bemb : epic win !

Now I'm gonna do the other races, and see if everybody is alright to use these new rules for the tournament.

EDIT:
Bemb thniks that the -1/+1 adjustment is not good.
Here is my proposition of some modifications :

Mummies h4/6/e7
Black Grail h6/10/e13

I can see the Potential ability and cost association by offerring a Smaller or Larger Troop,

as Morgrim Neck Snapper (a lone Orc Boar Rider, in DOC111, who has banner of Mork permanetely attached to him)

was desigined to be more maneourvable on the Battlefield to allow him to hunt down and Kill Wizards.

:)

My personal thoughts on adding more or new units are as long as the originals and Stats are not altered or replaced

(just cost and unit size) then I gladly welcome any new additions.


:)


Such as Steam Tank, Dread King ,Hand of Nagesh, Ragnar's Wolves and Carleson's Cavalry, could all be included, if successfully voted for and their Point Value's awarded.

:)

The ranks too, otherwise  it could be weird sometimes.

You forgot the thugs/thieves !

New batch : Orcs and Humies.

EDIT : update of the points :

Mercenary Crossbowmen h1/2/ex3
Imperial Cannon 3
Bright Wizard 2
Imperial Halberdiers h0/1/ex2
Imperial Bowmen    h1/2/ex3
Flagellants h2/3/ex4
Imperial Mortar 3
Mercenary Ogres h1/2/ex3
Mercenary Swordsmen h1/2/ex3
Imperial Greatswords h0/1/ex2
Ice Mage 2
Mercenary Cavalry    h2/3/ex4
Pistoliers h2/3/ex4
Knights of the Realm h2/3/ex4
Dwarf Warriors h1/2/ex3
Wood Elf Glade Guards h1/2/ex3
Wood Elf Archers h3/4/ex5
Treeman 4

Night Goblin Archers h0/1/ex2
Night Goblins h0/1/ex2
Gigantic Spider 2
Giant Scorpion 1
Night Goblin Shaman 1
Orc Arrer Boyz h0/1/ex2
Orc Boar Boyz h1/2/ex2
Orc Boyz h0/1/ex2
Orc Big'uns h1/2/ex3
Orc Bolt Thrower 3
Orc Rock Lobber 4
Orc Shaman 2
Troll 2
Night Goblin Archers With Fanatics    h1/2/ex3
Night Goblins With Fanatics h1/2/ex3

im all in for the adding of Campaign units such as Carlsons and Ragnars but im not too fond of the double and half regiments, not for a start anyway, it could well end up with a huge cluster of units that are hard to estimate in value and strength.

It's not "double regiment", but x1.5 ;)

Bemb and me :

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5660/lotofhumansmq3.jpg)

\ :) /

this sounds like a great idea, what do i need to get to do this stuff and also any tuts on th programs

indeed i think its a fantastic job, but i don't like the idea of include it in the tournaments. Besides, the idea of make this changes and not alter the stats it seems nonsense to me, the same with the idea of having to vote to include the missing units (Carlsson's, Ragnar, Dread King, etc); i mean, when the map patch was released, there was only announcements, no discussion about it, and i think that we all agree that some maps can balance or unbalance the battles, but also we all seem to agree that its great to have the possibility to choose from all of them. But truth is that even i'm from "the group" that think that the game is originally quite well balanced, and for that is the reason that we enjoy it all this years before the site was created, i also don't mind to make certain modifications or corrections (like improve the stats of the Dwarfs and/or fix the fear factor in the Ogres)

So, my idea (yes, to be discussed) is to have 2 tournaments (at least for now); One CLASSIC TOURNAMENT, in wich we only include the map patch (also maybe the missing units, or some of them) and a rule to organize the units; and one MOD TOURNAMENT, in wich we allow all the modifications or ideas accepted by the most members of the community, even modifications in the stats.

Yes, i think (prejudice) that i will enjoy more the Classic tourny but i will also play the Mod, this isn't about making some clasic and mod ghettos, even more when i think that for now we hardly reach the 8 participants in the tournaments

Well I hope not to have offended anyone, bye

Absolutely, we (meaning, the founders [Bem, Ghabs, Olly] and me) do very much not have a monopoly on tournaments. Flak has been doing a great job organising this and the last, and as this boards "official" monthly tournament everything is up for discussion (though we make the final arbitration), but if you wish you're more than welcome to organise a tournament (and of course use this board to announce and manage it!), and then you make the rules :) I'll play you ^^

I second this. (make a cross in the calendar, I have the same opinion as Mika ;))

We are happy about every Member who have ideas for an own tournament or to improve the monthly one. My plan was to back out of planning tournament and let the community arrange it (I think you noticed, that the most stuff from the last few tournaments wasn't make by me). I can say why: I plan to improve the ranking system to have a regular system between the tournaments and have an alternative for the player who havn't time at the tournaments.